Why So Much Hate Toward Felix Trinidad?

The circa 93 Whitaker schools Tito.

 

I'd doubt that.

 

he's prolly got a tight hole and Bernard forced it in

 

exactly...he didnt need to fight hopkins or winky. If he handpicked oponents and priced himself out of fight like roy jones for instance he would be looked upon as a MUCH greater fighter.

 

Bullshit.

 

True. If after defeating Joppy Tito would had chosen never to face Hopkins he might have been looked at as THE real middleweight champion and Hopkins as a sort of Dariuz Michalzeweski of the 160 libs division, the ugly duckling with no respect from fans. Anyway Tito was headed to a Roy Jones Jr. fight, so he would had been defeated anyway, which again proves his wilingness to fight the best.

 

Oops! Double post! Sorry!

 

WTF? ::

 

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True. If after defeating Joppy Tito would had chosen never to face Hopkins he might have been looked at as THE real middleweight champion and Hopkins as a sort of Dariuz Michalzeweski of the 160 libs division, the ugly duckling with no respect from fans. Anyway Tito was headed to a Roy Jones Jr. fight, so he would had been defeated anyway, which again proves his wilingness to fight the best.

 

Dunno. Hopkins was considered a better fighter than Joppy going into the middleweight tournament and the fighter Tito had to beat to be the real champion. If Tito chose to duck Hopkins after the Joppy fight I think it would definitely held against him in the same way that Bowe has been criticized for ducking Lewis after Bowe beat Holyfield and Lewis beat Ruddock and we were all expecting to see Bowe-Lewis.

 

I don't think Tito took it out of Oscar. I think Oscar did that to himself with his constant movement. Even in the latter rounds when he was throwing punches, you could see that the snap he had in the early rounds was not there and he was just pitter pattering them. He admitted this much in the Legendary Nights documentary also when he said he was "a bit tired" because he had "never boxed that way before" or something to that extent.

I think the type of fight that Oscar fought was what got him in that position and X is right about had it been a 15 rounder, Oscar would have been in trouble.

I definitely think he gassed but not because of what Trinidad did. Simply because of how much Oscar moved.

 

But for what reason did Oscar use that much movement? Trinidad lacked his usual accuracy, but he did land from time to time, and that might've played a role in Oscar using that much movement.

Because Tito was so heavy handed, maybe DLH became more tense and moved even more.

 

Or maybe Oscar just decided to coast and run his way to a safe decision victory, considering he'd lost a grand total of two seconds prior to round 9.

 

I don't see this total domination in the first 8 rounds. I had DLH winning, but there were close rounds. No one did much in round 1. Round 4 was another close round and Tito landed the best shot there, a counter left hook upstairs after taking a left hook to the body. Round 8 was close as Trinidad finished stronger, landing a left hook to the head, but DLH was pulling away, so it didn't get full impact.

 

Agreed.

Trinidad had his limitations and lost to every elite boxer he faced, but what the guy lacked in ability he compensated for in will and ambition. For god's sake, he was going up to fight Roy Jones Jr. (a fight he would've lost badly :doh:) had he gotten past Hopkins (who he actually lost to badly::). His die-hard fans were rabidly irritating, which, inevitably incited contempt for many things Trinidad'esque, but looking past the cheerleading annoyance, the attitude of the guy they were supporting was indeed great for boxing.

 

He undisputedly lost 7 of the first 9 . I thought 8 of 9 and there is no way Trinidad won the fight and no way he drew that fight. He lost that fight and was outclassed.

 

Correct.

This arguement somehow developed years ago, a couple of years AFTER the fight. That maybe it wasn't such a bad decision afterall. Hell, around a similar point in time, certain idiots started arguing that mayb Lewis v HOlyfield I wasn't as terrible a decision as first thought.

No. Both were outright screw jobs that were won by technically FAR better fighters, over guys who were walking forward doing dick all.

 

:bears::bears::bears:

 

Really? That wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that he was fighting in a different division, had become power happy, and maybe even past his best? Also, Hopkins may have made Tito's handwraps an issue but nobody else ever mentioned it. Are you saying team Tito decided to just drop doing this so called illegal wraps technique because Hopkins made it an issue?

I don't understand how this is even a point? ODLH started the fight on his toes and boxing. He didn't wait til he felt Tito's power and then decide he was going to fight like that. He'd obviously trained and already had it planned to fight that way and seeing as how it was so effective you can see why. Yeah, Tito was known as a big puncher so it would be wise to stay away from such a style, and Oscar even said he wanted to put on a boxing exhibition. Does this mean Tyson had illegal wraps as well, or does the fact nobody ever mentioned Mike's handwraps mean he's clean? I guess out of 40 or so teams, team Hopkins was the first team to actually watch Tito wrap his hands hunh?

Part of me feels dumb even commenting on your post because I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling. Even pre-Hopkins Tito occasionally took longer to take fighters out who weren't known to be as tough as Mayorga. Every fighter is different and this proves nothing. If anything the very fact that Tito KO'd Mayorga was impressive since at the time everyone thought he had a chin the equal of Tua. Also Tito was never a 1 punch KO artist. He had heavy hands with very good power that often took a few rds to make a guy wilt. Why should Mayorga have been expected to go 2 or 3 rds? You were so obviously stretching to make this point here it isn't even funny.

I got no problem if you think Tito cheated with his wraps but your points are a bit far fetched and the fact that you try to present everything as an obvious fact rather than an opinion doesn't help.

 

I think it's ridiculous to say Tito isn't an alltime great. Just because he lost to the greats shouldn't be held against him too because for one he was fighting at a higher weight where and during a time when he was past his best and for 2 his consecutive title defenses and championships at multiple weight classes can't be overlooked.

I don't think he slipped much physically when he left welter but he obviously seemed to lose his patience and became power happy. 147 Tito was a very patient and underrated boxer, for some reason he seemed to leave his damn brain back at 147.