Early PPV estimates for Pacquiao vs. Hatton 1.6 - 2 million?

Based on WHAT?

Haveeb had ONE PPV card in his entire career and he was completely exposed on it.

 

One week...and still no official numbers......?

 

You're not getting a cut of the ppvs so why does it matter, ILLU? ::

 

Thats kind of a false sense of reasoning though, because the sheer number of PPV's back then was at least half of what it is now and further to that, there were no "PPV fighters" south of 147. The sport was still in De La Hoya and Heavyweight heaven.

 

Would Arum B Soooooooo VAGUE About this if the #'s SURPASSED Floyd-Hatton???...


REED:dunno:

 

The numbers are probably around 1.3-1.6...700K in the States...another 6-700K in the UK...

but 2 mil...hahaha...yeah okay.

 

1.6 -2 mill in the US alone sounded incredible. if that is the case pacquiao is on the level of delahoya.

 

When celebrities appear at a boxing event ,that means you've crossed over.People are slowly finding out who Manny Pacquiao is and what he brings to the big stage.Whether you like him or not ,boxing needs him right now.

 

In the states alone?? No WAY!!! I thought those were the early estimates including the #s from the UK..and the world....at best Pac sold 800K in the states...

Mayweather vs. Pacquiao..if it happen in November of this year might 2 mil with all the advertisement, 24/7.....actually it might break DLH vs. Mayw PPV record...

 

They still counting? By now those ppv number could be in the 10+million....:stir:

 

this is taking longer than Guns n Roses last album.

 

Steve Kim, Maxboxing...

"Many of you have asked me for the pay-per-view figures for Pacquiao-Hatton, but nobody really knows since Bob Arum now guards his numbers closer than Colonel Sanders did his secret recipe for fried chicken. But one source tells me that it did 'north of 800,000' in the States"

 

Again, if the Pac-Hatton #'s did MORE than Floyd-Hatton, Arum WOULD NOT HESITATE to Post Them...His Whole Premise is Based on Manny Being the "Bigger Draw", so if this Could B PROVEN, Arum WOULD'VE Done it by Now...



REED:hammert:

 

You're missing the point REED...

The true test is what the PPV numbers are for Mayweather-Marquez. if they come in under hatton-Pac or Mayweather-hatton it shows Mayweather's more the B-side because marquez isn't really the draw here.

Also, you need to consider you're talking about business men...so the worldwide revenue also plays into this. Manny and Hatton bring in International numbers Floyd doesn't as well as high rollers.

Say what you want about Floyd bringing "celebrities" but you saw the EXACT same list of guys at Pac-Hatton and Floyd was no where in the building. It's time to REEDtire that line from your "Money" defense.

I think Manny's PPV's for his Morales, MAB and Marquez fights never did above 400,000 for any...perhaps one did.

"However"

the guarantees were tremendously lower therefore the fights were more profitable. AND...those totals didn't count Mexican PPV money.

At this point, it's hard to argue for Manny being a bigger draw domestically if the numbers for Pac-Hatton are close to Mayweather-hatton...the logical take would be the common denominator brought more to the table...Hatton.

And no matter how you want to slice it, Manny and Hatton BOTH bring in residual dollars Mayweather doesn't...unless the PPV and high rollers from Grand Rapids are off the charts.

 

Nah, Mayweather-Marquez #'s Should B Measured Against Pac-Marquez #'s...Just as Pac-Hatton #'s Should B Measured Against Floyd-Hatton #'s....& Throw in Pac-Dela vs. Floyd-DeLa, while U're @ It...

U & REED BOTH Know Arum WOULDN'T Hesitate to Post the #'s of Pac-Hatton if they were SUPERIOR to Floyd-Hatton...Like YOU, Arum has this BULLSHIT Notion that Pac is "The Draw", but Apparently the #'s DON'T Reflect that...The FAIREST Way to Gauge Drawing Power is by Matching Up the #'s vs. COMMON Opponents...

& if U're Gonna Factor in Manny's Worldwide Appeal & Sales, ALSO Factor in that that PPV's R CHEAPER to Purchase Oversea's than they R in America...U're ATTEMPTING to Stack the Deck AGAINST Floyd (Because U Can't Stand Him), but Either Way, it's NOT Proving that Manny's a BIGGER Draw...
REED:hammert:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4165901&name=rafael_dan

A Smashing Success


A 140-pound tilt between a Filipino and a Brit on American soil doing over 825,000 buys should be cause for celebration. So why is Bob Arum keeping mum about the PPV numbers?

For the past two weeks I've been asked constantly about the pay-per-view numbers for the May 2 Manny Pacquiao-Ricky Hatton fight, boxing's biggest fight of the year so far.



The eagerly anticipated showdown was promoted wonderfully. There was great buzz all week in Las Vegas and an electric atmosphere inside the MGM Grand Garden Arena on fight night, not to mention a spectacular second-round knockout victory for Pacquiao.


However, the period at the end of the sentence -- the pay-per-view buys -- has been missing because Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, who co-promoted the event with Golden Boy Promotions, refuses to disclose the figures for reasons that are beyond me.



He sure gave me an earful about it this week while dropping several words that wouldn't be appropriate for an ESPN.com blog. In the one statement he made that I can quote, he said (loudly), "We did very well. Everyone involved in this event did a good job, but it's nobody's business what the numbers are but ours and the fighters. I'm not gonna release the figures."


For whatever reason, Arum doesn't want to give them out, nor will he allow his partners at Golden Boy or HBO PPV to disclose them. What does he have to hide, anyway?



However, being a resourceful kind of guy with pretty darn good sources in the boxing business and television industry, I got the number, Arum's secrecy be damned. From what my sources tell me, the fight sits at about 825,000 domestic pay-per-view buys with the likelihood that when they're all counted, the total will reach 850,000 or more.


That means the fight generated almost $50 million from the American pay-per-view, a huge number that doesn't even take into account the pay-per-view figures from Hatton's turf in the United Kingdom, where the fight easily could have done 1 million buys. Nor does it take into account the live gate of $8,832,950 or the closed-circuit ticket sales of $575,750 in Las Vegas alone. There's also a pile of cash from the rest of the closed-circuit and international television sales, a seven-figure license fee from HBO for the delayed broadcast rights, sponsorship money and merchandise revenue.



How big was Pacquiao-Hatton? If you take away heavyweight pay-per-views involving Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield as well as the Oscar De La Hoya fights, it's the second-best ever. Only Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s victory against Hatton in December 2007 did more business, generating 915,000 domestic buys.


The bottom line is that Pacquiao-Hatton was a massive success, something Arum should be proud of instead of trying to hide, especially because this was the first big fight of the post-De La Hoya era. I stopped trying to figure Arum out a long time ago, but his decision on this topic makes no sense.



At a time when many have questioned what would become of the boxing business in the wake of the retirement of De La Hoya, the all-time pay-per-view king, Pacquiao-Hatton answered the question with an emphatic, "Yes, there is still life in this business."


When a 140-pound fight in which neither participant is American can do a number like 850,000, especially in the midst of a brutal recession, it's celebration time. And it's not the end, either. A whole series of fights involving Pacquiao and Mayweather can get the public excited and generate big numbers. With Mayweather out of retirement and set to face Juan Manuel Marquez on July 18, you can bank on another fight that will generate in the 500,000-buy range. And, eventually, when Pacquiao and Mayweather finally meet in the fight the public is already demanding, I believe it may rise into the 1.5 million-buy stratosphere.



Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer and HBO PPV chief Mark Taffet acquiesced to Arum's insistence that official numbers not be released on Pacquiao-Hatton, but neither of them is happy about it. I don't blame them. They want to talk up their success, not be muzzled.


So without disclosing the figures, Taffet did say, "Pacquiao-Hatton was a true megafight and establishes Manny Pacquiao as a true pay-per-view star. Most importantly, with Pacquiao-Hatton, Mayweather-Marquez and the great possibilities of matchups in the 140- and 147-pound divisions, we are entering a very exciting period for boxing fans and the sport."



Taffet is right, even if that wacky Arum doesn't want to acknowledge it with facts and figures.

 

Here's the SMOKING GUN, the REAL Reason Arum is HIDING the #'s...He's Trying to Portray Manny Pac as THE DRAW in a Potential Floyd Fight, but that's Simply NOT True...


REED:hammert:

 

Nah man. Marquez-Pac happened A) at featherweight, which is always less marketable and most importantly B) before Pac's breakthrough fight against Oscar. In reality Pac-Marquez is more comparable to Floyd-Gatti or Floyd-Chico in marketability terms.

The truth is there is no exact comparison to gauge their marketability. Pac faced Hatton coming of the Floyd loss which probably dented his saleability somewhat. Yet Marquez probably still isn't quite as marketable as Hatton. I'd say if Floyd can match Pac's Hatton numbers in this fight (in the US) he proves he is as slightly bigger draw. I think if he gets 90% of Pac's numbers I would say they should probably be considered around equal.

But Pac-Marquez is an irrelevant comparison. It's like using a bands single sales from before their breakthrough hit to gauge their popularity vs another.

 

Again, that's Stacking the Deck AGAINST Floyd...

CLEARLY, Pac-Hatton was a JOINT Promotion...The Fight Itself was ALL about Manny, but the Promotion was VERY MUCH about BOTH of them...& 1nce Again the LIVE Crowd was ALL Hatton, Practically...Even in America, Ricky Hatton is about 3-4 Times the Draw that JM Marquez is...JM COULDN'T Sell Out his Own Gym for a Public Sparring Session...

So how is it FAIR to Match Floyd-JM (a 1 Headed Promotion) w/Pac-Hatton (a 2 Headed Promotion)???...

BOTH Floyd & Pac Fought Hatton AFTER High Profile Bouts w/Dela...& Floyd's Fight Did BETTER #'s than Manny Pac's...This is the 2nd CONSECUTIVE Fight that Floyd has OUTSOLD Pac vs. a Common Opponent...Simply Put, there's NO Case to B Made for Manny Pac Being a BETTER Draw than Floyd Mayweather...

REED:hammert:

 

We're always going to be on the opposite side of this coin simply due to your falling back on a tired "Muzse hates Floyd" schtick when the truth of the matter is, what I'm saying is accurate.

Think about this logically...would you rather make $25 x's 900,000 in additional revenue (roughly what the U.K.) sales were for Hatton-mayweather or $25 x's zero which is what the PPV sales will be for Mayweather-Marquez.

It's simply common sense. Downgrading the importance of international sales doesn't make sense.

I'm not "stacking the deck" against Floyd...I'm looking at the big picture.

lastly, Arum said a couple years ago he'd no longer release PPV numbers. Do you REALLY think he gives enough of a shit about Floyd to make an exception for a possible fight no where near negotiations?

The theory that Arum wants to get back at Floyd is ridiculous in this scenario. A clear case of your "stacking the deck FOR Floyd."

Come on man, expand your mind a little.

 

Seriously...did you REED the article? Where is the smoking gun? Taffet's quote?

This gets back to what I said in an earlier post regarding the common denominator...Hatton and the international buys he brings to the table.

Also, the closed circuit revenue from all the damn Brits who flew over just to watch the fight on closed circuit.

I was in Vegas last weekend (went to Dawson-Tarver II) and I can't tell you the number of Brits STILL in Vegas a week after the fight. Were a ton still at my hotel as well as at Dawson-Tarver II.

That's money Vegas WANTS to see.

BTW...didn't meet a soul from Grand Rapids.

 

You're unravelling...

Your response to me states comparing apples to apples when talking about fights and yet this post makes clarifications when comparing apples to apples.

This isn't "stacking the deck for Floyd?"

Seriously?

 

But it's TRUE...U HATE Floyd...Shit, U CAN'T Even Bring Yourself to ADMIT that Appearing on "Dancing w/the Stars" Actually BOOSTED Floyd's Mainstream Notoriety, as it's Done for SEVERAL OTHER Celebrities...

REED ISN'T Downgrading the Importance of International Sales, but Even Then, Manny Falls SHORT of Floyd as an OVERALL Draw...Hatton's UK Drawing Power was just as IMPACTFUL In his Fight w/Pac as it was in his Fight w/Floyd....So if the Presence of Hatton Helped Floyd's Sales, CLEARLY he Also Helped Pac's...Speaking of Pac, if REED's Not Mistaken, his PPV's R Shown for FREE in the Phillipines, Since Most of the Locals CAN'T Afford to Splurge in that Fashion...

WHY Else Would Arum B Pushing for Pac-Cotto, on the Premise that Pac is a "BIGGER DRAW than Floyd Mayweather", if he Wasn't Trying to Get Back @ Floyd, Muzse???...& if Arum Could PROVE Pac Really IS a "Bigger Draw than Floyd Mayweather" Why HASN'T He by Now???...Expand YOUR Mind a Little, Dog...

Arum's STILL Pissy about Floyd LEAVING his Camp & Going to Another Stratosphere, Financially...N the Immediate Aftermath of the Hatton Fight, Arum Said Manny was a "Bigger Draw than Floyd Mayweather"...WHERE is the EVIDENCE Supporting this???...Arum's Gone BACK on his Word COUNTLESS Times...TODAY Arum's Telling the Truth, YESTERDAY Arum was Lying OR was it the Day B 4 that???...

The FACT is, Arum Put HIMSELF Out on a Limb by Saying Pac was the BIGGER Draw, but Now that the #'s DON'T Reflect it, he's Being a Spoiled little Kid & REFUSING to Share his Toys w/the Rest of the Boxing World...



REED:hammert:

 

Yes, REED Read the Article & he HIGHLIGHTED the "Smoking Gun" Portion...It's FUNNY How U ALWAYS Want to Talk about the Impact that Hatton Fans had on the Floyd-Hatton Bout, but U NEVER Want to Discuss that SAME Impact that Hatton Fans had on the Pac-Hatton Fight...

1nce Again, the LIVE Fight Crowd was ALL Hatton...

w/ALL Things Being EQUAL (ie., Hatton Being the MAJOR Contributor to Fights w/Floyd AND Pac), Floyd STILL OUTSOLD Pac...



REED:hammert:

 

"You're BETTER than That!!!" - Mark Jackson


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Few things here...

Haven't I said from the beginning the common denominator is Hatton and what he brings? It wasn't a pro-Pacquaio stance. The only pro-Pac point was that the guarantees were lower therefore lower ppv numbers doesn't mean the fight isn't profitable.

"why would Arum mention Pac-Cotto?" Hmmm...let's use our heads on this one...hmmm...

Could it be that he promotes BOTH and wouldn't need to split money with another promoter...meaning more money in HIS pocket?

I don't think Arum really gives a shit about Mayweather leaving, he always contended he didn't make any money on Floyd anyway. It's more along the lines of Floyd being an ass to deal with.

Floyd was always a bitter, jealous guy when at Top Rank and that, if anything is still evident. Something else that happened at the press conference...Floyd comes out and starts saying shit like "Oscar, I still don't like you."

Afterwards Oscar was asked about the beef between he and Floyd and Oscar said he really doesn't know where it comes from.

But let's be real...Floyd's bitter because of the money Oscar made from their fight vs what he made. Was pissed because he wanted the terms reversed and Oscar said no. That's why Floyd retired.

But he's been bitter and jealous of Oscar and every Top Rank fighter while he was with the company.

can't blame it all on Arum...

Which says ALOT considering how much of a shit I find Arum to be.

 

Seriously guy,...you have to do a better job at grasping what I'm saying...this is from my earlier post...

"At this point, it's hard to argue for Manny being a bigger draw domestically if the numbers for Pac-Hatton are close to Mayweather-hatton...the logical take would be the common denominator brought more to the table...Hatton."

You're so hell bent on pinning "anti-Floyd" on me you're contradicting yourself and misquoting.

Let's say it's 915,000 to 850,000...Did "Dancing w/ The Stars" audience cover the spread?

::

 

SOME of it, Sure...


REED::

 

So Floyd did quite better numbers against DLH and Hatton than Manny, uh?

I bet this doesn't go well with Arum's plan of offering a 70-30 split to all of Manny's opponents.

 

So, the truth is out. Floyd should get the Lion's share of the purse. I think a 60/40 might be the way to go. Arum is full of shit.