ANDRE WARD vs. EDISON MIRANDA...Final Predictions...

Ward is Froch's mandatory? Carl will fuck that clown up!

 

Pascal will stay at 175 once he decapitates Diacanu for the WBC belt.

 

It would Depend on the Judges & the Ref...REED Could See Ward RUNNING for Dear Life, Landing DEFENSIVE Jabs, yet Making it Nearly IMPOSSIBLE for Froch to Catch Up w/Him, Due to Superior Speed...If the Fight is BEYOND Boring, REED Could See it Being Scored a DRAW or Perhaps even a Ward Victory (Again, Dependent Upon the JUDGES)...

But if Ward DARES to Engage or even TRADE w/Froch, he'd Get Stopped...



REED:mj:

 

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When has Pascal ever done anything similar to this against a semi-live opponent? Jean is a total non-puncher.

 

Ward will be running/holding for his life against Froch.

 

He went the distance with Froch and often stood his ground and went at it with him, shame he didn't get clocked, but lasting longer than Taylor against a common opponent is not a bad thing.

 

Diaconu is just another Dorin. :fightme:

 

Im not knocking Pascal's abilities as a fighter; just his punching power. He's a slapper.

Besides, that fight was a division below where he's taking on that bald fatty.

 

Ward will waste Froch

 

Why's everyone so hard on Ward? Miranda has only lost twice to very good seasoned champions. This is Wards first live body and he did fine. Ward would outbox Froch so eaaaasy even Taylors retarded ass was outboxing Froch.

 

That was ugly to watch. move move move jump in with 1 left hand and hold. No doubt he will give Froch problems with his speed advantage. Hopefully the ref will do his job and stop the holding so Froch will have a legit chance of winning.

 

The ONLY Good Thing about Tonight is Ward Left the "Rent-a-Roy" Schtick @ HOME...


REED:bears:

 

wow, you're on crack, Pascal punche like a motherfucker

 

agreed...and just to add something Ward beat his ass in the amateurs and he'll beat that ass in the pros too

 

Last night explains why Ward hasn't fought anybody good.

 

Exactly.

I want to like Ward. He seems to have heart, and clearly is a decent boxer.

But watching him hold Miranda like a vice maybe 200 times in that fight put a sick taste in my mouth. Smothering Miranda may have been an intelligent ploy as well, but it made the fight a complete joke. Ward bulled Miranda to the ropes dozens of times, and had the ol' forearm in the neck on quite a few occasions as well.

Yet still, when the fight was at the "distance" that Ward was supposed to be dominant at, Miranda connected a number of times, even with sloppy punches.

Ward did himself good when he did engage Miranda. I was glad to see he was willing to do that when necessary. But the rest of the fight was a mix between Ward excessively holding and running around the ring (especially last 2 rounds). When Andre Ward kept his distance, and shot fast combinations at Miranda, he dominated. Yet... he couldn't maintain this. He got tired, lazy, sloppy, and moved away from what worked best, to what worked marginally well and was the "easiest".

Too easy too hit, too comfortable in positions where other fighters would knock him out. You can get away with this stuff against Edison Miranda, but others will hurt you. Andre Ward didn't appear "tired" toward the end of the fight, but he gets REALLY sloppy. A 12-round fighter with a bit more skill than Miranda would be a stern test.

Anyway, Ward has some time to get better, but after tonight he strikes me like a Rocky Juarez type fighter, career-wise. He will be undefeated until he takes on a B+ or A fighter, and then he will be minimally competitive and lose. Every time.

 

Only thing I learned about this fight is how bad Arthur Abraham is.


Edison Miranda beat him, stopped him actually, and only in Germany was Miranda robbed and stolen from.

The same version of Miranda won every second of the rematch until the smurf caught him.

MIRANDA IS AWFUL. I guess I learned the Ward cannot punch at all too.

Tarver/Dawson II and Ward/Miranda have stopped all the momentum the Pacman win had. Those were just terrible fights.

 

Thats how I see it.. I'm shocked with what I'm reading from some people.. Easy win for Ward... Froch didn't show me nothing.. He was getting outboxed easily until Taylor faded like he always does.. Anybody with above average power would have finished Talyor that night.. Ward is not gonna fade and will win and easy decision.. Something like 9 rounds to 3 or 8 rounds to 4.. I'm willing to bet anybody on that fight if it happens..

 

For a guy with 19 pro fights I thought Ward did very well. He bullied the bully.

True, Miranda is basically Ricardo Mayorga Part II but he does serve as a competent gatekeeper. He'll test you and find out if you're any good. If you can beat him you're at least decent.

Ward showed lots of guts in that fight and I think he confirmed he doesn't have a china chin.

He doesn't punch as hard as Abraham or Pavlik but that doesn't mean he sucks.

I'll admit he does have the capacity to stink it up to.

 

I think people are being a little too hard on Ward, but Miranda is below gatekeeper status. If he lose to him, you just don't have a future in boxing. I have said from day one the guy isn't even all that much of puncher. No skill, no dimensions and an above average puncher and I am not even sure that is true at 168. Ward needs a few more fights for us to judge. Last night was not much of a test.

 

Good Post:bears:

 

Like usual your exagerating...Are you saying Allen Green doesnt have a future in boxing?

 

Allan Green had stomach issues in that fight.I think he had surgery after the fight.

 

& Beside All that, Green Fought Miranda @ 160 After Fighting As HIGH as CRUSIER, Prior to that...


REED:kidcool:

 

Because of the internet, people feel the need to pick apart every prospect coming up. I honestly don't see why people have such issues with Ward. For being 25 years old and having 20 pro fights, I think he's done quite well for himself.

We're probably not talking about an all time great, but there is no reason he can't carve out a pretty nice career for himself. He's well on his way to doing that already.

I thought he fought well last night, and he showed some progress... which is all I really look for when a fighter is still on the way up. I think there is more room to grow...

... but right now I would give him a pretty good shot against Andrade and Bute. I think he is competitive against Taylor in a 50/50 fight. He probably lisn't ready for Froch or Kessler yet but he could be in the next 24 months. I would also stay away from Green. I think that is a bad matchup.

 

It depends what you think of as a future, but no, I don't think Allan Green is a future champion. He is basically an opponent for any champion and an uninteresting one at that.So no, I am not exaggerating, Allan Green sucks, although at this point he is better than Miranda. He at least has 2 or 3 punches. Mierda just sucks. He just has a right hand and it is wide, slow and he over shoots it.

 

Damn...am I going crazy?
I actually enjoyed the fight, and thought Ward looked good.
He showed heart, and a very good chin.
The ability to fight on the inside and out, and be rough...
He looked good, he lacks the big punch, but hey...with that kind of speed...who needs it?

 

I think most (including myself) are looking into the crystal ball which is why we're tough on the guy. I can already see stinker fights ahead and more importantly, he should have knocke dout Miranda based on Miranda getting clocked twice at the division below.

In my eyes Ward isn't much different than Jermain Taylor. Granted, he's got better boxing skills than Taylor but he'll weave his way through his division to get to a title and the flaws he's got will eventually be his undoing.

Boxing has an entertainment value to it and I'm not sold on Ward's ability to deliver.

More importantly, I look at how guys react to a remote possibility of adversity. Everytime Ward got rocked (which was several times, watch his facial expresssions) his natural instinct was to hold. Granted, it's a smart tactic but who wants to see that? As I said that night, he's in training to be Hopkins-lite...one punch, fall in, hold.

Contrast that with a guy I've been high on for quite some time, Chad Dawson. Everytime you nail him good his instinct is to fight back. Not hold, answer back. Will it get him KO'd someday? Most likely, regardless I admire the fighting spirit in the guy.

I didn't see that in Ward.

 

Well, his point still stands because people are now saying Dawson sucks because he didn't knock a guy out who's never been knocked out before.

Nowadays, if you don't have the concussive power of Earnie Shavers, combined with the boxing skill of Sugar Ray Leonard, you are nothing but a bum in waiting.

 

Not exactly.

I'd say Tarver's a tougher out than Miranda. Wouldn't you?

Plus, Tarver doesn't give alot to hit at due to his awkward style and height.

Miranda's a guy "e-light" fighters knock out.

Ward hit Miranda as cleanly as one could hope to catch him and not only was he not seriously hurt, he wasn't discouraged. Was tired more than hurt.

And since you brought up Leonard, as much as I hate the guy he had a killer instinct and was a finisher. There was a quote from Leonard in USA Today where he said that when he came back he was worried about getting hit. Previously, he didn't. Said he didn't care about getting punched.

What I saw from Ward is a guy who is afraid to get hit.