Roach Say Mayweather is the "Easiest" Opponent

This gets back to what I'd said to Neil several times in the "Manny is a bitch" thread regarding weight stipulations on Mosley and Cotto. Roach doesn't feel Floyd is a difficult fight for Manny and it has NOTHING to do with more money.

Manny only wants Mosley or Cotto if he feels they are compromised...while having NO issues with fighting Floyd at 147.

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Jun. 14, 2009
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Roach hoping for Pacquiao-Floyd Jr.

Trainer says Mayweather 'easiest' opponent

By STEVE CARP
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
If it were up to Freddie Roach, Manny Pacquiao's next fight would be against Floyd Mayweather Jr. in December in Las Vegas.

Speaking from New York, where he received the Trainer of the Year award Friday from the Boxing Writers Association of America, the man who trains Pacquiao said Mayweather is the best opponent for his fighter.


"We want Mayweather because he's the easiest fighter of the three"

Roach said, alluding to Miguel Cotto and Shane Mosley, the other fighters most often in the Pacquiao equation. "Style-wise, Shane might give Manny the most trouble. But Mayweather's not a big guy. He's not a big puncher.

"Cotto doesn't want to come down (from 147 pounds). I'll fight one guy at 147 -- Floyd."

 

Roach seems to be great at prediting wins for Pacman and Floyd sr is just as bad at predicting guys to beat him.

Manny asked for Cotto according to Arum so thats going to be an epic fight.

 

I'm just about sick of Roach and the overated Pacman. I can't wait until this myth gets KTFO COLD. PBF will expose pacman and stop him!

 

He's had a decent record over the past six or seven years predicting Manny's fights wouldn't you say?

Roach never wanted the first Marquez fight...believed it was a bad matchup for Manny...seemed to be the right call.

I don't think a Manny-Cotto fight would be particularly entertaining. Wouldn't be surprised to see some bullshit clause like the fight at 143 and Cotto can't gain more than 7 pounds or so on fight night.

As far as a fight with Floyd is concerned...I think we've got a pretty good indication as to how effective coming at Manny is these days.

 

You're being ridiculous. The myth? Exposed? Get the fuck out of here. Manny is a proven fighter. If he got beat tomorrow, he would not be exposed and would still be in the HOF when he retires.

 

Roach can say whatever he feels. Floyd will beat Manny.

 

YES!!!!!! AND IT WOULD BE BY STOPPAGE!!!! Won't matter if the fight is @140 0r 147 in my opinion.

 

REED Looooooooooves Manny, but Roach's Act IS Tired....Roach Talks Almost as Much SHIT as Roger or Floyd Mayweather, Sr., it's just EASIER to DIGEST his Disparaging Remarks...

He's Got that MEEK Little Parkinson's Way about him, the SOFTER Voice & the Scholarly Glasses that Makes him APPEAR to B "Humble", when he Most Certainly ISN'T...



REED:mj:

 

he's definitely smarter than Roger or Floyd Sr., glasses or not.

think about it. the only fighter either of those guys has trained who has had any success is PBF. don't you think, maybe, just maybe, it's PBF, his talent, and his management, and not his trainer, who account for his success? and not Roger or Floyd Sr.?

seriously. name one fighter other than PBF who either of the Mayweather trainers have had success with, either improving them, or taking them to a championship.

 

I agree with Roach. I mean he isn't saying anything negative about PBF. All he is stating r the facts. PBF is the smaller of the 3, he isn't as strong as the others, he doesn't punch as hard as the others. These are all facts. If PBF were to fight Pacquiao and if the fight takes place at 143-147 PBF is gonna come in pretty close to that weight unlike Cotto or Mosely who would gain hella weight and have a huge weight advantage on fight night. So that I agree. I'll Holla 5000

 

REED ISN'T Disputing ANYTHING U're Saying, but REED is just TIRED of this "Humble" Freddie Roach BULLSHIT...The Guy is CERTIFIED, OPINIONATED Shittalker HIMSELF, he just Does it in a QUIETER, LESS Confrontational Fashion...



REED:mj:

 

Like you said...Freddie talks shit too...it's more easily disgested.

"however"

This piece is simply stating things as they are in terms of what the three guys bring to the table. manny against a physcial guy at 147 is a no no.

 

Don't get me wrong I like Pac, he seems to be cool and humble, but the overating of him is too much. PBF will beat him. It would matter what weight, 140-147.

 

well don't you think "quieter and less confrontational" is less grating on the public? the point is, quieter and less confrontational is generally interpreted as humble, whereas loud and confrontation is generally interpreted as egotistical or arrogant.

what is Roach supposed to do? pretend he has no insight when asked questions about opponents and strategy?

plus, Roach's comments are almost always with respect to his fighter and what his fighter can accomplish. Roger and Floyd Sr. in particular talk as if it's going to be them in the ring. And the subject of PBF the fighter is hardly ever the subject of the conversation.

Roach strikes me as a trainer with unprecedented integrity and pride in what he does, but as a former fighter, he's always careful to keep the fighter he's training at the forefront of the conversation.

I don't think you can say the same about either of the Mayweather trainers.

 

Instead of Focusing on the PACKAGING, REED Pays Attention to the MESSAGE ITSELF....Roach Pretty Mush Says THE SAME Shit that they Mayweather's Do, he just Does it in a More DIGESTABLE Fashion...Freddie Takes the time to CANDYCOAT his Message, but it's Really NO Different...

Is it Really Any BETTER To B Called an "Asshole" N a SOFT Tone w/a SMILE On Top???...The MESSAGE is the Same...


REED:hammert:

 

I'd argue that the message isn't identical as you say. I'd also add that there's something to be said for being polite and respectful when it comes to public interviews.

Even if we accept the premise that the message is the same (I don't agree with this premise), the fact that Roach's is more "digestable" as you say can't help but make it hold more water and be taken more seriously.

I just think it comes down to a little thing called manners. The Mayweathers have none. And it hurts their credibility and makes them seem like fools.

 

If anything, the level of difficulty would be like this in descending order:

Floyd - Most difficult. Will give Manny angles, won't trade with him and will exploit his defense. Got the stamina to go 12 full round of high paced action and may be able to hurt manny the same way he did to Hatton.

Mosley - Too big/strong for Pacquiao. They have similar speed, but Pacquiao doesn't have anything on his fists that Mosley haven't taken before. Mosley could rough him up and tie him up while slowing him down with killer body shots.

Cotto - while big and strong, got a terrible defense and is very susceptible to uppercuts. Doesn't like dealing with pressure, which is one of Manny's strenghts. All that being said, Cotto can punch and Manny will not like it when he tastes that left hook or that canon like jab.

 

Calling Floyd Mayweather an "Easier" Fight for Anybody is a Pretty BOLD Statement, Don't U Think???...The POLITE Thing would have Been to Say, "I Think my Guy Matches Up Better w/Floyd than the Others", but Roach DIDN'T Say That...

So Basically, U'd Prefer a Guy to B "Polite" & SMILE Even when NATHAN is Funny &/or SCRATCH Even if he Isn't Itching???...If U're REALLY an Asshole, BE AN ASSHOLE when in Front of the Media...Be WHO U R, 100% of the Time...Even if it's LOUD, BOISTEROUS & Over the Top, as Looooooong as the Behavior is GENUINE, REED Doesn't Really Mind It...



REED:hammert:

 

Roach definitely has more than a touch of arrogance, and there's no question who he considers the most important guy in the wild card gym - ask justin fortune, but he's soft-spoken about it and presents it as straight talking...he's not the most liekable, but you can't question his caliber, whereas mayweather is just comical and both he and Roger IMO deserve as much plaudits as alton merkerson, RJ's "trainer" who just happened to have a phenomenon under his care

 

wait..Manny Pacquiao is overated??? Nah...if anyone here is overated it's the Mayweather....jr as a fighter...and the other two as Trainers...

 

:bears:Glad Someone Else RECOGNIZES It...REED ISN'T Even Suggesting that Roach is a BAD Guy or Anything...But the Nice, "Humble" Thing is a FACADE...


REED:shit:

 

I do think Pacquioa is a bit overrated,.. if he beat a "cruising" Cotto, or better yet, Shane Mosely,..I would then be personally convinced that he's this TSUNAMI!!! ..that nobody can fuck with, but for now,.. I dont think he'd felch out the welterweight division as some are claiming he INEVITABLY will, INEVITABLY.

artie: Ha ha!,.. what did I tell you?... where'd she go from your signature?...back to the farm yeah GONE,.. I told you she was on her way...

 

:crafty: Yes indeed,... indeed indeed indeed,.. Reed yes,... that's very good advice,.. very good.. may we all,... may....we.....all...

 

That might just be a way to rub Mayweather the wrong way to ensure he'll accept the fight despite not getting the lion's share of the money available.

 

Wow, Roach said Manny beats Floyd. Roger said Floyd would beat Manny. Let's see, Roger has been 100% right about Floyd's fights, Roach has been wrong twice as he predicted he would beat Morales the 1st time and Manny didn't and at 126 he predicted Manny would beat JMM and he didn't.

We have a winner here and his name ain't Roach:crafty:! :nono:

 

I don't know. When I used to get loud and boisterous in school I'd get in trouble, even if I was making a good point. I discovered that the best way to get your point across is to do so in a civil fashion. Not as a boisterous child would.

Plus, I don't think Roach is putting on a facade whether you think he's arrogant or not. What. You think there's a shouting and cursing side of Roach just roaring to get out? But he keeps it hidden and that bothers you?

And you said yourself he should be honest and say what he means. Well, he thinks Mayweather is the easiest fight compared to the others. Why should he restate it as you've suggested? Has he offended you or something? I mean WTF? I believe him by the way when he says PBF is the easiest fight among the top welter-weights. He's not as strong as Cotto or Mosley. He doesn't hit as hard. He tends to revert to a safety first approach almost immediately if he finds himself getting countered. Of the three, he's the least likely to be able to hurt Manny.

Plus, Manny would probably get the most accolades for beating PBF - don't discount that as a factor either. Mosley's been bested plenty of times and Cotto hasn't exactly looked invincible lately.

PBF studies his opponents rythm and tries to capitalize on it with counter-punches and movement that have his opponent playing right into his hands. Against Manny, who is extraordinarily unorthodox, south-paw, and very unpredictable, it will be a tall order for PBF.

I also think with the exception of possibly Zab Judah, Pacquiao will be the fastest fighter PBF will have faced, whereas you could make the argument that at 126 and at 130 that JMM was a fast as PBF.

If Corley can hurt PBF, Pacquiao certainly can. And if an over-the-hill ODH can connect with clean punches on PBF, Manny Pacquiao certainly can.

The Hatton fight shouldn't even figure into the equation. Hatton is as we've all seen. So what's that leave? ODH and Gatti as indicators that PBF will be a handful for Manny?

People forget. PBF hasn't fought good competition in a long time. The best guy he fought in the last three years he arguably lost to - ODH. Hatton? Gatti? Scrubs. His wins over them prove nothing.

 

You might have a point if PBF ever fought anyone as good as JMM or Erik Morales. But he hasn't. At least not in his own weight-class.

PBF/Gatti was a pretty tough fight to handicap, wasn't it? Same goes for PBF/Baldomir? And lets not forget Hatton.

 

exactly. roach aint really saying much style wise. he's basing it on physicality and size.

all this does is make clowns like double L and others look like shit for claiming mayweather jr is some huge welterweight picking on all these smaller guys.

I'd still consider cotto as the best opportunity for pacquiao to get a w vs any of the 3