The "ARTHUR ABRAHAM is a Baaaaaaaad Man" BANDWAGON...

That isn't exactly proof....Miranda, Elcock and Taylor have reputations for their knockoutability, and so may the others if i could be bothered to google them.

My view is that it just isn't proven either way....clearly the guy can hit, but he hasn't done things to his opponents that no one else hasn't been able to do. He can't be compared to some of the biggest hitters in the game just yet....take out Froch like that, then that'd be impressive.

 

Wow, that's the first time I actually saw the right he landed on Taylor. We were watching a European stream and nobody I was with actually saw the punch that landed it was so quick, and they never replayed it on the feed.

We knew Taylor was obviously hurt badly but wasn't sure exactly what punch did it to him. Looked like he had a freakin' anvil in his glove.

 

All these guys were either tired or chinny, or even both. Ask Ike or MWS they'll explain you.

 

that punch he landed on taylor was fucking sick, looked like taylor got hit by a shotgun, i did a double take because of the way taylor fell, he like peter griffened it right to the canvas

that being said, i wasnt overly impressed by abraham, most of his punches were sloppy and his workrate wasnt all that great, and its not like taylor did much with his pitty patty jab, which is basically all he threw

a good counterpuncher with some pop can def put this guy away i think

 

:doh:

If Usain Bolt was a boxer, here is what people would have said after he ran the world record in Berlin:

"Yeah, but he ran that on lane four, can we be sure he is that fast in lane seven."

"But he had a backwind of 0.0012 m/s"

"The track was blue, can he really run that fast, when it´s orange"

"I think the track is slightly downhill by 0.0002°"

"It was raining, can he ran that fast, when he is dazed by the sun"

"He probably ran so fast, because he didn´t want to be beaten by a Gay dude"


While you are at it NAME some great fighters that are the alleged elite punchers of boxing and tell me how many fighters they have taken out cold?

Valero? Rafa Marquez? Wladimir? Pacquiao? Cotto? Haye? Pavlik? Vitali? Mosley?

By your stupid definition, boxing doesn´t have any punchers at all.

 

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Who Else has SPARKED Taylor like that w/a SINGLE Shot???...NOBODY...



REED:hammert:

 

U Forgot "Shot"...


REED:hammert:

 

Yup, freaky strong. As I said, the Khaosai Galaxy comparison keeps coming to my mind

 

The Bolt analogy is a stupid one....running fast is objectively measurable, judging one's punch power is of course subjective.

As i say, Abraham hasn't proven to me either way whether or not he is a MONSTER hitter. He might be....but knocking out Wayne Elcock and the like doesn't PROVE that. He has to do it consistently at the top level...lets face it, he might be a top level fighter, but taking on Jermain Taylor was a big step up for him, and there are bigger to come.


I perhaps said 'He can't be compared to some of the biggest hitters in the game just yet' rather flippantly....there isn't many huge hitters in the sport right now. If i was to give you three, off the top of my head...Raf Marquez, Juan Manuel Lopez, and i'll say David Haye, although as a heavyweight he prob won't have the same kind of power he possessed as a cruiser. Those guys have taken out top level fighters, who don't usually get taken out.

 

Or ask Double, and he'll say his wraps should be checked.

 

JuanMa? :laughing:

Which top level guy? How do you know Ponce is a better fighter than Gevor or Miranda? He´s certainly no better than Taylor and you have no idea how chinny Ponce is. :crying:

That is so ridiculous. Abraham has a far superior resume and almost killed five guys in world title fights. Lopez couldn´t KO Mtagwa, Lotchi and Penalosa were corner stoppages, Medina took a dive. Figueroa had been stopped four times. That is Lopez whole title reign. So that is enough proof to consider Lopez an elite puncher, but Abraham with far more devastating Ko´s of better opposition is not.

And I´m really not interested to play this stupid game and start dissecting Marquez record. Did he KO Vazquez, Mabuza, Vargas, and some other fighters, or did he just shred their faces into pieces forcing cut/blood stoppages? Was Mark Johnson not really a washed-up flyweight?

 

Agreed. Until Haye & pac prove their power at their new weights I think Abrahams has a good claim to being the hardest hitter in the sport

 

De Leon's chinny?....he's not that good a fighter, but practically fights with his face and he had never been stopped before or since. He went 12 rounds with Caballero.

I'm not interested in playing this tedius game either, but you did ask me to name fighters so that you could do exactly this....so you wanted to start playing it, before getting all patronising and stepping down because you are above all that.

Truth is, there isn't substantial evidence to say that Abraham has the dynamite power that some have you believe....all we can point to is some spectacular KOs against guys, that the majority of the fighters in this tournament would have done something similar to

 

Wow what a bold prediction.. here he is in a tournament against 6 of the top supermiddles in the world.. all of who have at least 2" height and reach on him.. will fight at least 3 times and likely 4 or 5 times..

Being the BEST, is not necessarily synonymous with being a BADASS.

 

Reed, you have seen what 3 of this Eurotrash's fights.


Doesn't it say something to you that the biggest win of his fraudulent career is a win over a shot Jermain Taylor?


Abraham is not a badass. He is overrated and protected.

Lol, Reed you are the number 1 Kessler is overrated and what has he done. He has done 100 times more than Abraham. I can't wait for them to fight. Kessler will brutally rape and humiliate Abraham.

 

I don't know why people don't hit his forearms. Why hit padding when you can give him deadarms to slow down and take some off of his overrated power.

 

Sign me up for the wagon plz

 

REED has Seen Abraham's 3 Most IMPORTANT Fights (Miranda I & II, Taylor), 1 Other that was Broadcast on Showtime & Some Highlight Reels...Here's the Thing, Abraham has WEATHERED ADVERSITY...A BADLY Broken Jaw in his Fight w/the HARD PUNCHING Miranda, w/SEVERAL Rounds Remaining...

Say what U Want about the Questionable Point Deductions, but Abraham ABSORBED HARD Shots on his BROKEN Jaw, yet DIDN'T Quit...Circumstances COULDN'T Have Been More DIRE, yet Abraham SUCKED it Up...THEN, After Hearing the Constant Criticism from American Fans about the Controversial Nature of the Miranda Fight, Abraham COMES TO AMERICA & Whips his Ass...KO'ing him EARLIER & MORE IMPRESSIVELY than Pavlik Did...Then he Absolutely ICES Taylor UNLIKE Anyone Else has Ever Done...MORESO, he NEVER Had the Level of TROUBLE w/Taylor that Pavlik OR Froch had...

Arthur Abraham has OVERCOME More Adversity than ANY Fighter in the Super 6 Tourney...Mikkel Kessler is Best Known for LOSING a Fight where he Started Well but Got DOMINATED & Tacitly Quit in the 2nd Half...

The BEAUTY of this Tourney is that Somebody's Gonna B RIGHT & Somebody's Gonna B WRONG...



REED:hammert:

 

What are you talking about.

Pavlik and Froch iced Taylor earlier and just as bad as Abraham and after they did it.

I don't dispute the toughness it took to stay up for 12 rounds, but Abraham attempted to quit 2 or 3 times in his corner and his corner told him no. No reason to gloss over how bad Miranda is and how much a person has to suck to get his jaw broken by him.

Pavlik only needed one try and didn't lose a round to Miranda. Abraham won maybe 5 of the 16 rounds he fought against Miranda.

Abraham hasn't fought anybody and he will get brutally exposed when he does.

Kessler will steamroll him with absolute ease.

 

Good points!

I think Abraham has somewhat of a PR "hole" to get himself out of because of how he was shamelessly given time when his jaw was broken, and how Miranda was fraudulently deducted points such that he couldn't possibly win a decision. The circumstances make Abraham's perserverance somewhat less admirable when you consider that the 12th and final round was a finish line for him with a victory assured.

Also, Miranda has never been the same since the beating Pavlik gave him. I've heard you make this argument before. You must adhere to it now.

Also, the Taylor that Pavlik beat was an undefeated super-star with an Everlast contract, an HBO contract, and a whole slew of easy victories over junior middleweights, plus two victories over B. Hopkins. The Taylor that Abraham beat was over a guy with a three fight losing streak, and coming back from a KO loss to a guy he was easily beating. Hardly the same.

Abraham is over-rated. I promise you that.

 

But NEITHER Pavlik NOR Froch STRETCHED Taylor Flat on his Back w/a SINGLE SHOT, as Abraham Did...That HAS to Count for Something...The WORST Thing about U is that U'll Chalk it Up to Taylor Being "Shot" or Whatever Else, yet U'll Give Abraham ZERO Credit for Fighting an UNDEFEATED, ULTRA-Confident Miranda...

If Nathan Else, Miranda Could ALWAYS Punch...& Abraham KO'ed him MORE Impressively as Well...

The Thing is, REED WANTED to HATE Abraham...When Pavlik was on the Upswing, REED TRIED to HATE Abraham...Wrote him Off as "EuroTrash" Just like U Do...But UNlike U, REED Doesn't Have Any LAME "I'm Toooo Proud to B IMPRESSED" SCHTICK & Over Time, Abraham EARNED REED's Respect...

Mikkel Kessler HAS NOT Weathered Adversity as Abraham has...& he DOESN'T Punch as Hard as Abraham...U Plant YOUR Flag in Kessler's Yard, REED'll Plant his in Abraham's & We'll Eventually SEE who's RIGHT...



REED:mj:

 

I do think Abraham is a very good fighter with great power and a strong chin. However, I see him being outboxed very easily by a quick/slick boxer.

 

Throw me on that bandwagon Reed.

I have slowly become a believer. I think Abraham is as mental tough a fighter as I've seen. Taylor is shot and Miranda was overrated, but AA is a bad man regardless.

 

I'm on...This kid can fight. He's one of the most consistent and interesting champs in the sport.

 

It isn't schtick. When he beats someone good then we will talk. Whether you or any other of the this Eurotrash lover's fanboys want to face the facts let me know.

HE HAS NOT BEATEN ANYONE OF NOTE IN HIS CAREER. HIS BEST WIN IS OVER A GUY WHO HAS BEEN FADING FOR YEARS AND WAS KNOCKED OUT BRUTALLY IN HIS LAST FIGHT.

FACT, YOU HAVE SHITTED ON KESSLER.

FACT KESSLER IS FAR MORE ACCOMPLISHED THAN ABRAHAM IS.

Abraham hasn't even beaten anyone as good as Mundine. I live in the world of facts. If AA fought JT'S level of competetition he'd have 5 losses.

 

Reed please,.. although I do believe Kessler is being lifted on too high a pedastel given the opposition that awaits him,.. 'tactictly quitting' in the 2nd half of the Calzaghe fight isn't correct,.. Mikkel, like virtually everyone else, couldn't keep up with Calzaghe's hyperactive workrate, and unlike Hopkins, he was there trying to fight the slapticopter for 3 minutes of every round instead of holding on in desperation for clinch after clinch after clinch,.. Mikkel also gutted it out and won the final round,..

 

JT today would beat the shit out of Mundane.

 

Negative. Taylor fuckin blows!

 

Did I fail to mention that Abraham was actually stopped by Miranda? Only in Germany is a man's jaw broken by a legal blow and then he is allowed to be treated and then allowed to continue.