FLOYD GETS OWNED ON SATELLITE RADIO

Goofier and more offensive looking then you, Rubia? I doubt that is even statistically possible. Your Origami video gave me nightmares.

 

Probably when he found out the purse wasn´t in british pound, but turkish lira. ::

 

:bears::bears: Exactly! I agree with every point you made here. It sounds like a lot of Hopkins hating going on here as the moves he made are being overly criticized.

To say he had no right to demand a 50/50 split with Roy was totally inaccurate seeing as how he just beat the #2 p4p fighter in Trinidad and had recently beaten or tied Monzon's title defense record. So his accomplishments at the time were at an alltime high, moreso than Roy's.

As for fighting guys like ODLH & Tito, he did that for the money and to make a name for himself and nobody should blame him for that. He'd fought years in relative obscurity beating everyone he faced and never even making it on a PPV card. If the only 2 small guys he picked on happened to be 2 of the biggest money makers below HW then I'd say it's pretty obvious Hopkins was not a bully who picked on smaller fighters. Anyone who regurgitates that is hating plain and simple.

Freeike it's fairly obvious you hate Hopkins as you point out ridiculous points like "he lost to Jermain Taylor." Big deal, every fighter who's beaten Taylor had something Hopkins didn't, one punch knockout power. Also, all of those guys except Pavilik fought JT at a higher weight class than Hopkins did. A weight class that I don't think JT should have been in.

Floyd & Hopkins situations are entirely different. I don't recall Hopkins running around proclaiming he was the greatest that ever lived while having his division be full of competitive fights for him that he refused to take.

You guys need to quit hating.

 

Kellerman thinks very highly of Calzaghe though.

He actually picked Calzaghe to beat prime Michael Spinks in an article of The Ring about a year ago.

 

The HYPOCRISY & SELECTIVE MEMORIES of Some Fans Never Ceases to Amaze REED...

If U Take AWAY the UNDERSIZED Guys that Hopkins Fought, then his 20 Titles Defenses were COMICAL, Dude...In 1 Breath YOU & HUT will Complain about Roy's Opposition (Hut even had the Nerve to Say 'Roy Hadn't Fought Anyone in Years'), but it was EVERY BIT as GOOD as Bernard's was, EXCLUDING Tito & Dela...

John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Antwun Echols, Robert Allen, Keith Holmes...Those R the BEST Guys Bernard Fought PRIOR to Tito...POST Tito, there was Joppy, Allen AGAIN, Carl Daniels & Morrade Hakkar...Meanwhile, Roy Jones MOVED UP in Weight & was Fighting Guys like Montell Griffin (2x), Virgil Hill, Lou Del Valle, Reggie Johnson, Richard Hall, Eric Harding, JC Gonzalez, Clinton Woods, John Ruiz & Tarver, Yet YOU & HUT BITCH about This???...w/the Exception of Griffin & Johnson EVERY ONE of those Guys was BIGGER than Roy...There's NOfuckingWAY U Can Objectively Look @ Bernard's 20 Defenses & Find his Opponents MORE Impressive than Roy's, if we're EXCLUDING the Blown Up Welters....

At the Time, Roy Jones was Faaaaaaaaaaar & AWAY The BEST Fighter in the World Lb for Lb, Roy Jones had a VICTORY Over Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones was a BIGGER DRAW (Roy vs. Ruiz OUTSOLD Tito vs. Bernard, Look it Up) & The MARQUEE Fighter in the Matchup AND they were Gonna B Fighting for Roy Jones' Title...So w/Out Question, Roy Jones DESERVED 60%...

U Talk about "Hating"...YOU AND HUT have a HISTORY of Hating on Roy Jones...This is yet ANOTHER Example...Like it or Not, Bernard was AT FAULT for NOT Taking 40%...



REED::

 

I don't hate Roy. I've tried to tell you that a million times. I was referring to at that time period and not their overall careers. Right during this period Hopkins had just beat Tito and tied the record. Sure Roy was the recognized p4p champion at the time but Hopkins had just had the Tito fight so his name was out there for accomplishing that big defeat. Seeing as how they both had big accomplishments and both were respective dominating champions in their own right I felt at the time as I do now that a 50/50 split would have been more than fair. Also 20 defenses is 20 defenses. There's a reason that record stood for as long as it did. It takes a great deal of focus and professionalism to do that and it isn't Hopkins fault his opposition wasn't good in his division.

As for Tito being small, well I don't quite see it that way. Sure he may have come from 147 but he'd moved up gradually and proved to carry the weight well as well as proving he brought his power up with him with dominating wins over Joppy and Cherifi.

Now that I think about it, the main thing that caused that fight to fall apart was when Roy said that Hopkins had to pay King's share out of his own cut and I think that caused some kind of big problem that killed it.

 

Who cares if a fighter is arrogant or not?
It's all about what the fighter does in the ring, not whether the fighter is arrogant, shy, spiteful,loud, brush, or whatever....
Who cares what the fighter is like outside of ring??:notallthere:
PS. Oh, and if you care about squeky-clean image of Kostya outside of ring....
you're aware that he's been conviced in the court of law (and ordered to repay the damages) after the attempted fraud he perpetrated on the man, he called his "second father"?

 

Great, great post.

The hypocrisy is there. I'll just add that NO, Hopkins had no fucking claim to demand 50/50 at that point. Why? Because Roy at that point was earning much more money than Hopkins (He was no DLH but he had his own PPV's), he also was considered by far P4P the best in the world and had defeated Hopkins very clearly the last time they fought. Who cares about the Tito win, that didn't make him an attraction and we all should know at this point that boxing accomplishments have very little to do with purses. If we're gonna apply the same criteria the to define ducking then hell yes, Hopkins ducked Roy.

 

Are you serious? That's how you determine whether or not you like someone? So if someone said they didn't give a crap about boxing or it's fans and occassionally spit on them and kicked a few children on his way to the ring, as long as he's talented and behaves inside of it we can assume dymipepel likes him?

 

NO, but the Point is, Fighters R HUMAN & Therefore FALLIBLE...For Instance, Fighters like Arturo Gatti & Alexis Arguello were Placed on Pedastals as the "Class Acts" of Boxing, the Guys that Other Fighters Should EMULATE Outside of the Ring....

N Actuality, EACH of them had MORE than their Fair Share of Out of the Ring DRAMA...Drug Issues, Alcohol Issues, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE Issues...But ON THE SURFACE, Gatti & Arguello were BELOVED for their Out of the Ring Behavior....Ultimately we DON'T Know those Guys Outside of the Ring, Therefore it's BEST if U Base Liking or DISliking them on what Transpires IN the Ring....



REED:hammert:

 

That interview was funny. However PBf took it on the chin like a man. Question why do people keep mentioning Margacheato when he's not even in boxing at this time. Also what ever happened to Hopkins fighting Adamek? Wasn't there an extremely low offer to Adamek which could indicate a form of ducking? Anyways PBF will fight the winner of Cotto/Pac and Shane will be left out in the cold again which sucks for him cause he deserves a major major payday. But then again he could fight Paul Williams. I'll Holla 5000

 

Cotto better win, cause Pacquiao will not be taking the short money vs. Mayweather....

 

If that's the Case, then it's Pacquiao that Should RIGHTFULLY B Criticized for the Fight NOT Happening...



REED:hammert:

 

I don't care what fighter does outside of ring.
As simple as that.
He's not one of my family, one of my friends, or one of my acquantances.
I don't care if he likes $6000 dollar shoes or if he donates 5% of his purse to needy kids.
I don't care whether he's married, divorced, fights with his wife or likes to sleep on his left side.
It's none of my business.It's none of yours (or, at least, it shouldn't be).
If I cared about crap like, I'd watch soap operas and read National Enquirer.
I mind my own business, and let other people mind theirs.
If I pay $50 to watch PBF take on best P4P fighters, one after another, I want to see PBF deliver the goods in the ring. He does.What he does the minute after he leaves the ring, I don't give a crap.
Conversely, if a fighter is known for consistently ducking the best opposition (the way Kostya Tszyu did throughout his career), he'll catch some major flak from me.
And do I really care that Kostya was convicted in the court of law of fraud and theft?
Nah, not really....

 

Maybe but it was Pacquiao who moved up and fougth DLH, Hatton(at his best weight), Cotto...and if Mayweather doesn't want to fight. Pacquiao will just out do Mayweather again...and fight Mosley...or he could just moved down to 135 and fight Valero...

It's Mayweather who has been the coward for all these years...now he has to fight one of the three....Mosley, Pac or Cotto. Pacquiao can take a break and fight a VALERO he deserve the break.

Cotto is going to KO Pacquiao..so it's a mute point...

 

its silent?:atu:

 

ha ha

 

The hilarious thing is I spent about 10 posts over at fanatics last week defending Roy's greatness as the best fighter of his generation (along with B-Hop) and one of the top 25 fighters ever. To Valentino i was a 'Roy groupie'. Fact is I can judge his career with a level head. I view Hopkins & Roys careers as very closely matched, their resumes are comparable. The difference is Hopkins spent those years when he fought the mediocre competition frozen out of the big fights. He was a peripheral name on the scene prior to the Tito fight. Jones was one of the biggest names in the sport and could have made numerous fights but didn't. That's the difference. So in the end they rank closely & their resumes are comparable but that doesn't mean my level of good will towards them for their commitment to taking the fights available to them is. And ditto for Floyd. When his careers over I'll judge his career fairly based on what he did. And he'll rank pretty high. But I'll also criticise him for not making the best of his talent.

 

I gotta tell you man, I won't be mean to you - i honestly cannot fathom why on earth you spend more than 3 minutes in any given MONTH wasting it on Valentino. There is no point. He is useless.

you are either very bored or have deluded yourself into thinking you can get a point of logic across to him

 

vaselino !

 

Totally agreed, mate. He's possibly my least favourite person on the entire internet. Pompous ass. Mixture of boredom and not being able to help myself.

 

"So what are you trying to say? Black fighters can't do numbers now?"


Yup, that's it Floyd. They're giving you a hard time because you're black.



TFK

 

They should split the pot if Manny beats Cotto. Before you start citing PPV numbers you better wait for Pac vs Cotto numbers to come out. It will be huge. Both guys will be proven draws at that point.

 

yeah it's cause he's black.....and cause he's too good.....and cause they're trying to exploit him.....and because they're haters......and because they don't know boxing.......or the game, they don't know the game either.....

 

Cotto is an Elite Fighter w/a LEGIT FanBase...ALREADY had PPV's vs. Zab, Sugar Shane & Margarito...Headlined SEVERAL MSG Shows...If Pac-Cotto Does Good #'s, Cotto will B JUST AS Responsible...

The FAIREST Way to Guage Floyd & Pac is their Sales vs. Common Opponents...Floyd SHITS on Pac in that Regard...If Pac OUTSOLD Floyd Against 3 Common Opponents, we WOULDN'T Even B Having this Argument...



REED:hammert:

 

hehe fair enough. agreed on all counts, btw

 

Be that as it may. Floyd can't wait for Manny to turn down his 60/40 offer so he can go fight some more chopped liver. In fact Floyd might pull a Mosley and jump in the ring and tell Pacquiao to take 60/40 during the post fight interview.

By the way REED, does the same thing apply if Cotto beats Manny? Who holds the keys on that split, Floyd or Cotto?

 

Exactly.

Pacquiao turned down the fight so Mayweather will have had no choice but to fight Erik Morales.

 

On this, we agree. I've rarely met a guy so clueless on the internet who is reportedly successful in real life. If he doesn't have his head lodged firmly up someone's ass, he's trying to make points which are contrary to common sense and logic. I have no respect for him.

 

The mix of stupidity and biblical arrogance is a very grating combination