Was Cotto overrated?

Was he overrated or he just was unfortunated enough to lose first to a cheater and then to a true phenomenom? 'cause he is starting to look like this era's Fernando Vargas.

 

NO...HE beat Mosley, Clottey and only lose legitimately to Pacquiao who might end up being one of the TOP 10 greatest fighters ever.....


But he need to get himself a REAL trainer....dude has no problem leaving PR to go to florida..he shouldn't have a problem going to Mexico to train under Nacho, to Cali to train under Roach.....

 

I don't think Vargas was ever over-rated. And neither is Cotto.

When you start calling a fighter over-rated because he lost to guys as good as ODH or Pacquiao, it's difficult to make the case for the best fighters to face each other.

 

Cotto is a good solid fighter. Like you mnetioned he's the new Fernando Vargas. Short of being great.

 

Cotto can be better with a world class trainer but one has to think if he will ever be the same with these beatings. Cotto has alot of mileage.

 

Needless to say, PBF shits all over Cotto.

 

Well, Vargas sole shinning momment was when he beat a rusty Ike Quartey. His 'victory'over Winky Wright was very controversial. He lost via KO to Trinidad, ODLH, Mosley and even to Mayorga. Rivera almost KO him too. Vargas was exciting to watch, but he was in the same category as Arturo Gatti.

 

His confidence is on an all time low...but he still has a chin, he still can take a punch, but he need a trainer that can give him different fight plans. Because after a few rounds vs. Pacquiao what he was doing wasn't working and he didn't have any idea how to proceed. Thats probably why he was backing away sooo much and it wasn't because of stamina or whatever...

 

I disagree. We never had a chance to see Vargas peak because Tito beat the prime right out his ass. I think the best version of Vargas was when he fought Tito. After that he was infected with TITOSYNDROME.

 

Vargas was never the same after the Tito beating. Whether that was due to illegally wrapped gloves or not doesn't change the fact he wasn't half the fighter after the fight he was before.

 

No way! If you had to wait until today to finally call Cotto overrated after being a title holder in 2 divisions and fighting at the top for as long as Cotto has, you are full of shit.

End of story.

 

Yo

The last 3 opponent Manny has fought, people has critised them, saying there is something wrong with them. DLH weight Drained, Hatton bum, Cotto overrated.

If Pacman Beats Floyd, what will be wrong with him ring rusty?

I think Manny is just that good, he makes everybody else look ordinary!

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I totally agree with you here.

I don't think that anyone here is calling Cotto an all time great, he's a really good fighter that lost to a great fighter. I really hope he gets a new trainer, Santiago sucks.

 

It's amazing how many top fighters Pacquiao's beaten who became 'overrated' after he beat them.

 

Same with PBF

 

Incorrect.

 

Fail

 

That's correct I suppose, they were hyped back because they fought Manny.

 

Of course Cotto was not overrated. He was rated just right. A pretty good fighter that fought the best and beat some pretty good fighters.

Unfortunately he is on the decline after this last beating. I think the damage is too much that he won't be the same. Hell some questioned his declined after the Margarito and Clottey fights.

I agree that he needs a new trainer. That kid Santiago has no business working anybody's corner. Especially a Legit star like Cotto.

But I think a new trainer will help prolong his carrer. But he won't be as good as he was 2 years ago.

 

I don't think so, not at all.

He'd beat mayweather.

 

In a drinking contest maybe. Certainly not in a boxing ring.

 

Maybe...but we will NEVER know. Because Miguel Cotto like every other top Welterweight were avoided by Floyd Mayweather...Money somehow got away with ducking/avoiding fighting Margarito, Williams, Clottey, Cotto, Mosley, etc.....

Now his Mayweather fans can say...ohhh look what Pac did to Cotto...look what Cotto did to Mosley...ohh look what Mosley did to Margarito..ohhh freaking Quintana beat Williams...

Mayweather would have done the exact same thing to all of them...so at the end he really didn't have to waste his time fighting them....

 

c'mon man! I dislike Floyd too but let's not get carried away. At one time the fight didn't happen with Cotto because Arum thought he was too green he kept telling people how big the fight would be once he was ready.

So it's not like Floyd never tried to fight him especially at 140 when both had a tittle.

It's the same shit with Mosley. I actually question floyd's recent competition but I won't forget that he did try to fight Shane more than once.

So when these guys passed on Floyd it was ok? But now that is more recent we only talk about Floyd ducking people?

 

Fair enough.

 

Hold up. When exactly did Floyd try to fight Shane because I must have missed that one. Are you going by a time when Floyd actually tried to fight Shane or are you going off of the bullshit lies that Floyd is telling where he says he tried to fight Shane?

Just because Floyd said he wanted to fight Shane when they weren't even in the same division doesn't mean Floyd actually wanted that fight or even would have taken it. Also a commentator asking Shane about a Floyd fight isn't the same as Floyd trying to make it. Especially when Shane had already stated his intentions and time frame.

Floyd tried to fight Shane twice. :doh: What a myth this has become.

 

Cotto isn't overrated, he just made the classic "big guy fighting a little guy coming up in weight" mistake where he thought he could overpower Manny. It seemed like his gameplan was to try to break Manny down because Cotto thought he was the stronger fighter. By the time Cotto accepted the fact that this wasn't the case, he'd already taken too much damage and couldn't turn it around.

Had Cotto made his camp around the same principles as he did when he fought Shane, who knows how much better he would have done.

 

The fight is pointless. Shane has lost...Floyd is undefeated and beat Baldomir. Next.

 

Shane could have fought him after he beat Vargas when his tooth hurted. See back then he didn't need Floyd so he could pass on the fight for other reasons.

so it was ok for him to pass on it. Now that he wants Floyd all of a sudden Floyd is scared because Shane now wants the fight? ::

And if your gonna give me the excuse that Shane already had plans with his family to take some time off.

I remember around that time Floyd was offered the 8 million to fight Margarito. Shane said "If they offered me 8 million I would sign imediately".

So the fight could have been made but Shane didn't want it.

Why exactly would Floyd be scared of Shane? seriously! I think they are about even with Floyd having less damage in his body by now. But there is no reaosn for me to believe Floyd is ducking him.

He simply has better options now just like Shane had better options at the time he turned the fight down.

 

NO, Cotto Wasn't Overrated...N Fact, He's 1 of the FEW Fighters whose Career has Been KEPT in Proper Perspective Pretty Much from the Beginning....Because he was RICAN, Many Instantly Tried to Compare him to Tito Trinidad, But Cotto HIMSELF Shunned the Comparisons & EMPHASIZED that they were 2 DRASTICALLY Different People, which we Eventually Learned Over Time...

REED DOESN'T Recall Anybody Calling Cotto Anything More than an ELITE Fighter in his PARTICULAR Era...& that's PRECISELY what Cotto was...A Top 5 Lb 4 Lb'der @ his Best & STILL Top 10-12 Lb 4 Lb'der RIGHT NOW...Not a GREAT Fighter, but a VERY GOOD Hall of Fame Caliber Fighter...

& Even Though REED Thinks Cotto is Now on the DECLINE, it's NOT Toooooo Late for him to ADD a Few More Notable Wins, to BOLSTER his Legacy...

Overrated???...HELL NO...Cotto is/was PROPERLY Rated in REED's Opinion...



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