Clean or Flush?

Just curious, do you see a difference in these terms, or consider them to mean the same thing?

I consider them to be different.

I think boxers land a lot of clean shots during a fight, but not necessarily that many flush shots.

A clean shot to me is a shot that just lands cleanly enough, ie not a grazing shot, a shot that connects properly.

A flush shot to me is like a perfect connection. Lands with full force, right on target, as clean as you can get.

 

Yup!

 

I had never thought about until your thread, but I had the same working definition in my head. I agree with your definition.

 

I always clean up and I always flush

I hate when you go into the restroom and someone had not flushed

 

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I have understood you usually don't take shit on restroom but instead on a chest.

Anyways, I would also say flush shot is harder than a clean punch (for example Chris Byrd landed clean but never flush)

 

I disagree. I think Byrd landed flush on occasion, he just doesn't have much power.

Flush is just like a perfect connect, like it couldn't get any cleaner.

 

No. Flush punch sounds like it is a hard one too:warning:

 

Nah.....there's no incongruity in the sentence - 'And when Chris Byrd finally sat down on a perfectly timed right hook in the 3rd which landed flush against the jaw of the onrushing Ibeabuchi, the palpable disdain with which the African treated what Byrd may have fleetingly thought his breakthrough moment left few in the arena with any doubt of the looming inevitability of the outcome.' ::

 

Not at all. It just means it connects PERFECTLY.

Floyd lands flush all the time, against everyone he fights, because he's a sharp and accurate puncher.

Are the punches particularly hard? No, but they land flush.

 

Exactly. I could walk up and punch Mike Tyson flush in the jaw but it would have no effect beyond maybe cutting his mouth, leaving a bruise and pissing him off.

 

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Indeed. It's not about the power, it's just about the clean-ness of the connection.

 

so clean, cleaner, flush... :kidcool:

 

Not there's 3 types of punch.

Grazing, clean, and flush.

Or 4 if you count a miss :kidcool:

 

i'd add semi-blocked which has to have contact with the gloves of the opponent which has to be distinguished from grazing which is a clean or flush shot but with maybe only 10-20% of the fist landing in the face.

Also every flush shot is clean but not every clean shot is flush might be the correct interpretation of your definition.

 

REED Ususally DOESN'T Distinguish btwn the 2...He'll Typically Use 1 Word Or the Other...



REED:hammert:

 

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

Nah. You're making it sound like only big punchers can land flush and that's not the case.

 

1. Miss 2. half blocked 3. glancing 4. clean 5. flush

This is like a taxonomy seminar, we should do this more often. Types of defensive moves maybe, degrees of shotness, types of punching power...opcorn:

 

Right. On serious note I don't think there is much difference between the two, it is just that a 'flush' shot sounds to me harder than a 'clean' punch. I never realized this was such a serious matter

 

Flush is dead center to me. When I think flush, I think the left hook that Mosley knocked Vargas down with. It looked at the time like it landed dead center in the middle of his face.

Clean is simply non-grazing contact in my opinion. Clean bodyshots don't necessarily land dead center, but they land on the surface and impact hard without totally digging in. Strangely enough, upon watching the replay, Julian Jackson's KO of Herol Graham catches him clean, but it doesn't totally mash in.

There was a glove shot that Vitali landed pretty much dead center in the middle of Sam Peter's face. It compacted everything in. That's what I think of when I think flush.

Dead center, mashing in, and compacting everything in its path backwards.

In hockey, Derek Boogaard landed a flush shot to Todd Fedoruk's face, and the result was a broken, smashed-in grill that needed reconstructive surgery because of a broken cheekbone. Fedoruk had to get titanium plates inserted into his face. That was flush---the fist digging in and all force pushing inwards.

 

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In the rematch with Wifredo Rivera, Pernell Whitaker landed a flush shot that dropped Rivera. Lots of Pernell's shots were clean, but that one looked dead in the middle.

I'm not saying this is definitive, but it's the way I see it.

 

Who the Hell said it was a serious matter? Is this your new thing when people disagree with you?

 

i agree... we're taking things way to easy here! :warning:

 

Clean---Glen Johnson KO of RJJ
Flush---Tarver KO of RJJ
Grazing---Danny Green KO of RJJ

 

:: Pretty much, aye. We just need somebody to KHTFO with a half blacked shot and a miss and we'll have the full set.

 

or with a flush landing jab... ::

 

Can't see that it has much to do with being in the middle. You can certainly land flush to the side of the jaw or even the temple or even the forehead, it doesn't really matter, it's about alignment of the shot with the impact area more than anything.

 

Yep I agree with Hut and Royness. We need some more in depth discussions about all the terms and facets of boxing.