Mayweather Sr. Believes Pac Is Doping And Preferred Floyd To Avoid.

You have to distinguish between roids that leave you looking like a BB and other supplements that aid recovery and resistance.

LSD and ACID were initially given to German Troops in WW1 to fight hunger and fatigue. The Russians drink a tea which is double brewed and then evaporated leaving a concentrate that a man can work 3 days straight on with no sleep.

These are rudimentary, peasant instances. Now fast forward 80 years into the modern age....it is possible to administer substances which can defeat fatigue, defeat injury, and shred recuperation times. A blow to the head interrupts blood supply, and therefore oxygen supply, to the brain. Certain drugs can increase bloodflow, allowing for faster recovery.

It should not be that hard a leap of faith.

 

Here's the PROBLEM though...When it Comes to PRAISING Pac, it's COOL to Reference his Flyweight Days...But when it's Time to CRITICIZE him or Bring Up the KO Losses, he was "Weight Drained"...Pac Fans R Burning the Candle from BOTH Ends...



REED:hammert:

 

i don't see how that's a problem. he had success as a fly-weight, even if he was knocked out.

and his ability to take punches from the likes of JMM, Morales and Cotto proves that he has a good chin.

and he moved from flyweight to 122. it's clear he was weight drained.

so what's the problem? he can't be praised for his flyweight days because he was knocked out?

 

Here's the Thing...

When it's Time to PRAISE Pac, the Story is "Oh, Look @ this LITTLE Guy, a Former FLYWEIGHT & Now he's Destroying these Much Bigger Men"...But when U Bring Up the KO Losses it's, "Well, He was a CHILD Back Then & Was KILLING HIMSELF to Make Flyweight"...

Pac Fans want the BENEFIT of his Flyweight Days w/Out ALSO ACCEPTING the DOWNSIDE...Reminds REED of How Duran Fans Want the BENEFIT of him Moving Up in Weight, BEATING Leonard & Barkley & Fighting CLOSE w/Hagler, while Also Wanting to GLOSS OVER the 1-Sided LOSSES to Leonard, Benitez & Hearns...



REED:hammert:

 

There is no doubt the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Pac took advantage of weak divisions, and his child metabolism {certain Asians can survive off one bowl of cold rice per day...ask the US Army} to compete in divisions where he, by rights, had no business competing.

That said, he is one of the shortest "Welters" of the modern era.

A cursory examination of history shows us that Jimmy Wilde, the original little-big man, eventually got iced by bigger guys who weighed in heavier.

 

I don't get bothered by it at all when people bring up his flyweight losses, he has clearly improved since those days anyway

 

But REED, what you're forgetting and what is quite important is he spent almost half his career at flyweight.

It would be silly to reference it if he had like 2 fights there, and moved up.

But he had like over 20 fights at flyweight no?

And he was only weight drained towards the end of that era, because he obviously grew out of the division.

Nobody is saying he is a NATURAL flyweight (personally I think he is a natural featherweight, who is strangely suited to 140/147) - just that the fact he started his career as a flyweight shows he is not a big guy.

 

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Orth, come on, you're more intelligent than this.

In the world of science, you don't go on assumptions, you go on scientific evidence.

Plus acid and LSD are the same thing, and they are hallucinogens, not really uppers or downers, they more take you sideways, and would probably be the LEAST performance enhancing drug imaginable.

Amphetamines certainly keep you up, and get you so wired that they could numb pain, but they wouldn't keep your neurons in place after a heavy blow.

Extreme painkillers/sedatives like heroin and the whole opium family also numb pain, but in the opposite fashion, by making your whole body numb and extremely docile. Again, nothing of this fashion could possibly be given to a boxer.

So no we can't just assume there is some wonder drug out there that improves your chin. If there was, I think we would have heard something about it.

So what is this drug? What's it called? What does it do? And where is the scientific evidence to suggest it can prevent your neurons being scrambled after a heavy blow to the jaw? :kidcool:

 

Well 3 weeks ago REED said that Pac was the same size as Floyd. Sicne they are dopplegangers, then Floyd must be on steroids.:nono:

Why not give guys the benefit of the doubt until actually caught. I.E, Margarito, Roy Jones, Vargas, Toney.

 

Once again, I am not trying to prove the unprovable, or convict anyone in the absence of strong proof.

We didnt hear of the "clear" for years after it was first used.

Accident victims {trauma} are often administered drugs to minimise damage, delay the onset and degree of shock, etc.

Its not like there aren't neurological products out there which minimise, off-set blunt force trauma.

And that is just one aspect of it. What about the physical gains, the freakish power? Its uncanny.

 

Cotto was only slightly bigger than Manny and not stronger. Pacquiao is now a legit Welterweight with a terrific chin. I don't think he's doping at all. He's just a great fighter. If we're being this harsh we could argue Floyd maybe is doping too. This was a skinny super featherweight for most of his career and suddenly moved up to 147-154 and grew into the divisions like it was nothing.

 

WHEN & WHERE did REED EVER Say Pac & Floyd were the "Same Size"???....



REED:shit:

 

He was stung by one, but came back quick. When he lifts his hands up he is usually hurt.

 

Yes but the same shot dropped Clottey, who is strong, and kept Margarito off him for 4 rounds. That is the basic point I wanted to make. The disparity between Cottos ability to back up Clottey/Margarito vs Pacquaio in that opening period. Its just a subject for discussion, derived from Mayweather Sr's own suspicions.

Maybe Floyd Sr is :notallthere: or maybe he is just :stir: but I think he is saying :nono:

 

They strengthen all the muscle groups which allows the nervous system to absorb bigger impacts without "disconnecting" from the brain.

Basically think of all the guys Eric Morales knocked out. Now think of Eric Morales punching Bernard Hopkins....

 

I think everyone can agree that Pacquaio had always had a great FOUNDATION to add size and strength to.He always was ripped with great speed to boot. After the lower divisions and upon entering the super batan and featherweight divisions when was Manny knocked down or seriously hurt? NEVER. He might have been surprised or stunned a couple times from big punchers like Barrera, Morales but his chin has always been rock SOLID.The answer lies in the MIND. He never questions himself long enough to DOUBT himself or feel hurt by a punch. He raises his arms, acknowledges a good shot, smiles and proceeds forward.Pacquaio has always been TESTED for banned substances and has always PASSED. Mayweather Sr. was close to being SUED when he cooled his steroid talk.Unless someone get stretched early, they going to fight probably 2 to 3 times anyway...

 

Simply put, therre is no drug that can PREVENT concussion

 

Drugs have been EVOLVING...EVOLVING I says.....:nono:

 

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This is essentially what I've been saying, but in a less concise way.

Irish is suggesting examples that help recovery of concussion etc, not prevent it.

If there was a drug that could actually prevent getting your neurons shut down after a heavy blow, we'd fucking know about it.

 

And so would Freddy Roach, he of the fried neurons.

 

The NFL would be doing cartwheels::

 

Manny looks roided, he has moved up the weights so easily and always looks solid with not a hint of fat anywhere.

Has put on around 30lbs since his first fight yet just as solid, he is juiced for sure.

I know people fill out and get bigger as they age, but he is just jumping up too much.

 

Hey, you know what...fine.

But up and until such a stage as he fails a drugs test.....its all good.

By the way, the difference in Mannys "ROID" body type and Fernando Vargas "ROID" body type is noticeable.

Fernando had that classic steroid muscle, and definition he never had before.

Manny is just bigger...he was always a shreddy kind of guy.

 

I know loads of roiders mate, boxers, weight lifters, footballers, athletes, bodybuilders, and not at all people look the same......but Manny just looks juiced.

 

No he doesn't, he has been ripped since he was 18 years old. Was he on roids then too?

Was he on roids or HGH when he moved up from flyweight and started fucking people up at 122?

 

And if he was, why wasn't Reed, Defender of All Things Clean, not investigating him?:::laughing: