THE REASON PAC NEVER GOT CAUGHT USING PEDS

Obviously because he never did. And until the Mayweathers brought it up nobody was claiming this. Now all of a sudden it had to be PEDs. Do I believe Pac used them? Hell no. Why would I, where is the evidence?

Because he beat up ODLH? Well I thought ODLH was supposed to have been over the hill as well as superly duperly weight drained as all fuck. Now all of a sudden it had to be PEDs. Why? Because Floyd said so apparently.

Maybe it's because he beat up Hatton in 2 rds? Well I thought Floyd was supposed to have softened Hatton up for him. I also thought that since Hatton was all wide with his punches and had his chin all exposed that he was ripe for the taking. Now all of a sudden it had to be PEDs. Why? Because Floyd said so apparently.

Is it because he kicked Cotto's ass? I thought Mosley, Clottey, and especially plaster spokesman Margarito all beat Cotto to within a shell of his former self. Now all of a sudden it had to be PEDs. Why? Because Floyd said so apparently.

People seem to forget that Pacquiao also suffered pretty big damage in the Cotto fight as well. Didn't he come away with a fucked up ear drum as well as a face just as swoll up as Cotto's? Is it really that unbelievable that Pacquiao who didn't take near as much physical damage in his last 4 fights as Cotto did--and with one who likely used plasterized knuckles--was able to outlast Cotto in a fight where he openly admitted he felt and was hurt by Cotto's power? Or can the only reasoning we can come up with is it had to be PEDs simply because Floyd said so?

I'd also like to mention that Pacquioa is considered one of the hardest workers in boxing. The dude's training regime from what I heard makes it sound like he's the Kobe Bryant of boxing when it comes to working on his sport. He routeinly demolishes his sparring partners. With a work ethic like that there should not be so big a list of guys who believe without a shadow of a doubt the guy is using.

Me personally, I seriously doubt he is.

 

Why would you need evidence to simply believe (not prove) that someone is on PEDs? In high levels of sports, it doesn't take a lot for me to think there's a reasonable chance that someone may be on something. Especially in boxing, with lax testing.

Pacquiao, Mayweather, Hopkins, some journeyman with a 31-15 record, etc...I wouldn't be surprised one iota if any of them were using PEDs. Why should anyone in this day and age?

I do agree that people shouldn't believe "without a shadow of a doubt" that he's using. There's no evidence. I don't have a strong opinion either way in terms of being confident that he is clean or he is dirty.

 

It's just funny to me that all of sudden Manny is under a witch hunt type of scrutinizaton as soon as team Mayweather tried to put it in a contract stipulation. Before that Manny had all those excuses I listed as the reasons he beat all of his opposition. Now everyone wants to throw all that out the window and claim it's never been done before so it must have been PEDs.

Also nobody was claiming Floyd and Hopkins must have been on PEDs too but now all of a sudden that's becoming the new belief. It's like they need to accuse other people just to justify their accusations against Manny because they know those accusations are unfounded.

I keep hearing this shit about "everyone in the sport is doing it including Floyd." Really? Where's the proof because I'd love to read about it? The problem is there is no proof it's just more speculation and blow harding to justify accusing Pacquiao because he's done something apparently nobody else has.

Maybe Roy Jones really was doping because he went up a couple divisions and kicked John Ruiz' ass. Let's just throw out the fact that Ruiz stupidly dropped his weight for that fight an a dumb effort to be more nimble.

 

Only a Mosley fan can claim this.

 

lb 4 lb - I totally agree.

It's shocking how easily people are influenced and swayed, just from gossip and rumours basically.

To give you an example, in a recent post REED said if Pacquiao KO'd Floyd early, he'd rightfully have to deal with PED issue, ie REED and many others would think he must be on PEDs to have done that.

I don't want to seem like I'm singling REED out, many people share his viewpoint, I'm just referencing his post.

Did REED and all the others accuse Pacquiao of taking roids BEFORE Floyd Sr said anything? No, I haven't heard anyone on this forum or elsewhere mention it before it materialised into the currect situation.

If Floyd Sr never accused Manny of roiding, and Pacquiao KO'd Floyd in 3 or 4 rounds, and I can all but guarantee that REED and the other Floyd supporters wouldn't say it was because Pacquiao was on PEDs.

But with no evidence, just because Floyd Sr, Paulie etc think so, he must be on PEDs?

I could just as easily say Floyd Jr himself must be on PEDs. Afterall it's highly suspicious that he got buzzed or dropped by people like Hernandez and Corley at lower weights, and yet took Oscar's left hook without flinching. Must be PEDs!

It's also suspicious that Floyd looks so "natural" at 147, being a former slender 130 pounder, yet he has no more bodyfat on him at 147 than he did at 130. Must be PEDs!

If Pacquiao is on PEDs, so is Floyd.

 

It never even entered my mind that pacquiao might be on something until he refused random testing. Him refusing to take the random test set off the firestorm of doubt not them suggesting the tests. If he just agreed to the testing this wouldn't be a big deal.

 

He shouldn't have to agree to the tests, it's his choice, nobody in the history of boxing has undergone such tests, and Pacquiao is a fighter that has never been proven to have taken steroids.

 

Floyd has no problems taking the random drugs tests. The kind of action from somebody who has nothing to hide.

 

Eh yeah I was the first person to raise those issues and I also posted a video. Welcome to ages ago.:hump::cheer:

 

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Agreed mate, it's got ridiculous now, and to be honest the whole issue has become rather tiresome.

 

And Mayweather EXITS stage left without fighting the top fighter in the world.

 

Lemme ask you guys this question. Did anyone think that Mosley was using PED's pre 2nd DLH fight? Well guess what he was however he was never caught using them until the BALCO scandal. Not to mention he's fought in how many fights and has never tested positive. So to say that just because a fighter has never tested positive for PED's does not mean he doesn't or hasn't used them. He just knows how to beat the current drug testing system just like Mosley did. Unless Mosley was tested during the second DLH fight. I'll Holla 5000

 

THIS IS WHAT I WANT MANNY FANS TO ANSWER TO.

 

The BALCO papers only indicated he used them for the Oscar fight, no other fight. Nice try though.

And yep, he passed that drug test, which could mean Pacquiao is taking PEDs and hasn't been caught.

They key word though is COULD. We just don't know, so innocent until proven guilty.

 

You want them to account for Shane Mosley?

And Bigdawg never opened his mouth about Mosley in that regard until NOW...when it suited him to.

 

So if it's a proven fact that you can very easily use PED's and cheat the urine tests normally used why would you (1st of all BOXING FANS) be against Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather going through a bit deeper testing to be sure both fighters are clean? I mean am I wrong here? Aren't we all supposed to want all fighters to be clean and support having them take more tests if it's neccesary as the Mosley case clearly ilustrates?

 

That's right, I think the tests should be better.

But it's not Floyd's call, and it's also not his motive, otherwise he would asked all of his other opponents to undergo the same testing.

 

that's such a red herring excuse...

first of all, it can be his call--he's the guy who has to fight and he has the right to make requests of his opponents just like they do of him.

second, fine, the REAL reason is that Floyd suspects Manny is a freakin PED-using cheater and he is respectful enough (re afraid) of Manny that he isn't willing to risk fighting Manny unless Manny is willing to go through more thorough testing.

His motive sure as hell is not trying to get out of the fight. Nobody could have ever suspected that a non-cheating fighter would object to random blood testing with $40 million at stake.

 

This needed a thread of its own?

 

Dude, it's clear he suspects Manny may be on something (Unlike his previous opponents). Considering he's putting his life on risk there and the fact that we know it's very easy to cheat on urine tests is he really wrong in wanting to make sure Manny and him are clean for their biggest fight ever?

 

Yup.

If he wanted out of the fight he wouldn't have taken 50-50 from the beggining.

 

Meanwhile everyone and their brother are voting PACQUAIO fighter of the year and also fighter of the DECADE.

No one even comes close!

 

After Shane lied and lied about not taking them i think it's more than likely he has taken them more than once. It will be interesting to see if Mosley accepts random blood testing if Floyd comes calling.

 

Floyd won't come calling.:bangh:

 

NO I was answering the question as to why Manny has never got caught using PED's. He could be getting away with it the way Sugar Shane got away with it when he fought DLH II. I'll Holla 5000

 

Manny weakened by needle!

Floyd cunt coward!

Floyd not over commission!

Manny innocent no need for further test!

- The Pac aficionados.

 

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If Manny is some killer because of PEDS surely his brother Bobby Pac would be as well, however this isnt the case.

 

That's part of the point I've been making.

If it was that simple to turn into a superhuman wrecking machine through PEDs, there would be more Pacquiao's in boxing, to put it simply.