Let's call it: Floyd upped Manny big time.

I'll give you the Castillo, Corrales, and ODLH fights. However Floyd was already pretending to campaign at 147 before he fought Hatton. He'd already faced Judah, Mitchell, and Baldomir just to name a few. So don't make it sound like he just came from lightweight when he fought Hatton. Floyd was more acclimated to 147 than Hatton was.

As for those all time greats fighting each other, the public demanded those fights. Floyd-JMM was a tuneup, that nobody demanded.

 

And we saw Floyd's response when he was asked why he wouldn't fight Cotto.:: "Well....you know.....Cotto's up in Puerto Rico.....y'know......and I'm here.....":laughing:
Mosley fought him and lost...barely. He at least fought him. Mosley will take care of Gayweather.

 

a 38 year old orthodox spurt-fighting slugger cannot possibily beat a slick masterboxer who's one of the top 3 best defensive fighters in history...artie:

 

Unlikely, but possible, seeing as Mosley shall be the second world class, legit welterweight of Floyd's career.

Also Sly, seeing as you've never rated Mosley, and have picked against him in pretty much every fight he's ever had, I assume you won't be giving Floyd any credit at all if he wins?

 

master boxer? :: Yeah, going life and death with a fat old inactive Oscar and getting punked by Castillo? Sorry sly. This guy is a bum-beating overrated joke. He's gonna get his bitch ass kicked! He ducked Margarito, ducked Wright, ducked Pacman, and now has nowhere left to run! The walls have closed in! :crafty:

 

Hanzy before fight: Mosley will take care of Gayweather
After fight: Shane is old and shot.

 

Slystaff for years and years before the fight -

"Shane is overrated, Shane is nothing but a speedy slugger, I pick opponent A, B, C, D, and E over Shane, here are the reasons why, Shane is a speedy slugger".

Slystaff after the fight -

"Wow, nobody can doubt Floyd now, he won a clear decision over Shane, pound for pound baby, Floyd is one of the greatest fighters of all time, Shane might have been 38, but he is a GREAT fighter and hall of famer, and Floyd just won a clear decision over him".

 

Yeah, we know, which is why Floyd beats Oscar every day of the week, if only just.

 

I've only ever picked Forrest, Berto and Oscar (2nd fight) over shane. I also picked Winky (or at least thought it would be a draw..can't quite remember)..but apart from that I've picked Shane.

I think Shane is a very good fighter..great even...it's just that he's always been overrated and so I've compensated for this. People used to act like he was a Sugar Ray Leonard, Robinson or a Prime Roy Jones or Floyd Mayweather Jnr. He was never as multi-dimensional as teh aforementioned and that's why the Sly One felt the need to educate the masses on his being great but in one dimension.

Mosley of prime was tough, fast, decent power, good heart..and that was enough to beat 99% of fighters out there including the GREAT challenges of his prime: Diaz, Taylor, Wise, Stone and Rivera! :atu:

His best Win was the first Oscar fight. For that I give him credit...you HAVE to be good to beat a prime De La Hoya...even if Oscar fought the wrong fight.

Shane is still good..but he's lost speed and stamina...but still good enough to stop Margarito and Mayorga and so HELL YES I'll give Floyd major props for dominating, Stopping and RETIRING him on May 1. :kidcool:

 

Fair enough, but I guess my point is you can only give Floyd so much credit can't you?

You're backtracking slightly now, but for years you've acted like Mosley is nothing special at all, before now you've never suggested he was a great fighter.

The fact that you admit to picking Berto too, suggests you don't think much of Shane.

Personally, I think even this 38 year old Shane would have fucking smashed Berto.

You're also picking Floyd by stoppage. So naturally, you'll be disappointed and unimpressed if Floyd wins a safety first decision right? :kidcool:

PS - Floyd is craftier than ever now, more defensive than ever, and still very sharp - but he has lost speed big time. Pop in a 130 pound Floyd fight and compare him with this Floyd, he used to be much faster. I'd say he's only marginally faster than Mosley now. Of course the difference is he's younger, fresher, and sharper, with much better defense and reactions. But as for raw speed goes, Floyd's speed is nothing exceptional at 147.

 

Floyd couldn't even dominate a part time Oscar. Imagine what prime Oscar would do to him.:laughing:

 

This 38 year old Shane is gonna smash the f*ck out of Fraud Cuntweather too if Fraud actually stands and fights instead of backfooting and running around the ring like a bitch!

 

But didn't that fight take place at 154? Had PbF ever fought at that weight? I'll Holla 5000

 

No he hadn't, but Pacman had never fought at 147 either when he beat the absolute fuck out of Oscar.

 

No one wins a decision by just running. Hell Cotto was running from Pacquaio in the latter rounds and Pacman was still winning every round.

Floyd moves but PUNISHES the opponent as he's moving. He's not "running like a bitch" he's just putting on a master boxing clinic that EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER OUT THERE WOULD DO if they were capable of doing it. You think guys just like to get hit for teh sake of it?

Anyway...Shane's gonna get punished and stopped for the first time in his career. Shane will "extend" Floyd and force Mayweather to bring out every reserve which he probably hasn't had to do up to this point.

 

Contextualized.

 

What makes you think he was severely weight drained?

The weight surely affected him to some extent, but he didn't look awful at the weigh in, and in the fight he looked like the same flat footed, plodding Oscar we'd seen for the past few years.

And Manny beat the absolute fuck out of him.

If you want to discredit that win for Manny, then do the same for Floyd's win over Corrales. In fact, Floyd only started calling Chico out after Chico said he was weight drained, couldn't make 130 anymore, and was moving to 135.

Guess what weight Floyd wanted the fight at? 130 ::

And by the way, the more inactive part is flat out wrong. Against Floyd, Oscar had been off for a year. Against Manny, he beat Forbes 7 months earlier.

And Sly, let's have a sig bet on whether or not Floyd stops Mosley.

 

Didn't Freddie Roach comment that he saw the IV marks in Oscar's arms?

 

Yes he did.

But like I said, where as I am sure cutting the extra weight did have an effect on him - he didn't look awful at the weigh in. He didn't even look as drained as say, Erik Morales at an average weigh in at 122/126.

And in the ring, he looked like the same plodding Oscar that he turned into. No doubt magnified by the speed and ferocity of Pacquiao.

 

top rank wanted mayweather jr- corrales at 130lbs, where they both held titles. just curious, but what weight did corrales fight at after got out of the pen?

 

Well that was the whole problem! He was at weight for months.

 

Yeah, I never understood that weight drained thing for Corrales. He fought at 130 and returned at 130...for a while.

 

Yep, plenty of time to acclimatise to 147, didn't have to drop weight rapidly. Oscar wasn't weight drained at all :kidcool:

 

I don't wish to discredit Manny's win over Oscar. Before that fight I thought Oscar would wipe his proverbial ass with the much smaller man. It was an INCREDIBLE win and it was on the basis of that win that I picked Manny to stop both Hatton and Cotto.

I'm just saying..let's not pretend that Floyd and Manny fought the same Oscar. In Floyd, Oscar was fighting the universally recognized P4P # 1 and a man that he was teh underdog against and the man who he disliked intensely. He was super motivated for that fight and well prepared mentally and physcially. Plus it was at the comfortableweight of 154lbs.

Against Manny...Oscar figured he'd walk through the smaller man (as most of us did)...and Manny (at the time) didn't have Floyd's Status and was far more likable. Result: overconfident and under motivated Oscar.

Being overconfident and under motivated can be disaster in boxing and cause a person to lose to a person they may have otherwise beaten...so don't underestimate the effect that the two together can have.

if you don't believe me check out the following two fights:

Ali-Spinks 1
Tyson-Douglas

 

Neil, be that as it may, it was no coincidence that literally a week or two after Chico said he couldn't make 130 anymore, Floyd suddenly started clamoring for the fight.

136.

 

I actually picked Oscar too. I knew Manny was much better, I thought Oscar was simply too big, I thought it was a ridiculous fight, and didn't want Manny to take it.

So yep, weight, motivation aside, given the fact that so many people thought Oscar would win, Manny deserves a shit load of credit for not just winning, but making Oscar look like a walking punch bag.

And although your logic makes sense, and I know motivation is big, as are many other psychological factors, confidence etc - there's one problem - Oscar didn't look remotely motivated against Floyd either.

In all honesty, it had been years since Oscar did look motivated. I think against both Floyd and Manny he was pretty much in it for the money, and was treating it as a business, not doing it for his legacy etc.

 

what safer way is there to rehydrate? all it means is ODH didn't want to be bloated.

 

Shane Mosley is just one fighter who has used IV's on and off to re-hydrate for years. Whats the point of this comment as a means to re-enforce the idea that De La Hoya was weight drained?

 

That was the problem - as Roach, Nazim Richardson and countless others said. The fact that he was walking around so far below his natural weight severely weakened him. Unlike most fighters who only get that low for a few days at most unless they naturally walk around at that weight. You knwo you're screwed when they're sticking IV's in you in the dressing room before the fight.

 

incorrect.

anyhow the guy who claimed he could no longer make super featherweight fought at that limit over 3 years later.