Pacquiao to fight Mosley or Mayweather Next

I can't think of a better sporting event to introduce the new HGH urine test either. Can you imagine, they can't even catch Olympians with the HGH blood test, what if they caught Pacquiao with the urine test?

That would be big news in the sporting and science worlds.

I say go for it.

Forgetting the testing altogether, I can't think of a better fight in boxing right now, which is a shame, because Floyd dun want dat! :crying:

 

:: What? ....---------- well, whatever the anti-doping agency comes to bring, they should be allowed to do thier job, no interference, they're the experts, they are there to make sure the best that they possibly can, that both boxers are clean come fight time. :dunno: What's wrong with that?..

 

Why was there such a fuss over the lack of blood testing in baseball until it was implemented a few years ago? All the talk was you can't detect half of what these guys take in urine, especially human growth hormone.

 

Apparently no Olympian has even been caught for HGH with this Olympic style testing. Either they don't take HGH, or the tests are a bit crap, what do you think?

 

Nothing wrong with that, I would like for there to be no steroids in boxing. But you can't target 1 fighter, especially one who has no history of PED use.

And regarding doing their job, the USADA is not used in boxing, so it's not really their job, it's a specific request by Mayweather, which would be a first in the history of boxing. It's also a request that Manny had every right to decline, without the assumption that he is guilty.

 

Nothing wrong with that?.. then, as above,.. what's a better fight to introduce the USADA drug testing system than the percieved two best fighters in the world who reip the maximum benefits out of boxing?

 

You still don't understand Kauki, having it targeted at Pacquiao for a one off fight it pointless, and makes no difference. It doesn't clean up the sport.

If it was introduced as standard, arranged and enforced by the commissions, starting with Pacquiao against Floyd - great, no problem. But that's not what it is.

 

It has only become targetted because Pacquiao initially refused. When Fraud gives Pacquiao the assurance that he will be guaranteed to come into the ring clean aswell, what's the problem?..

It seems to come down to that reason of requiring 24 days to recover from a blood sample, and not even 40 million dollars could quell such excrutiating pain it seems.. ............so um, forgive me for speaking so bluntly, but that is the greatest crock of shit I have ever heard, and you must understand my reason for being a 'little suspicious'.

 

Of course I can. It IS suspicious, all the excuses, I said before - more suspicious than a point blank "No". Which of course wouldn't be anything new, it's what Leonard said to Hearns, and what G/Mosley said to Zab.

But that doesn't mean he is guilty. Until he fails a test, admits to using PEDs, or is caught in the way Mosley was - he is innocent.

And what are you talking about targeted because he refused? No, he had to be targeted TO actually refuse, otherwise there would be nothing to refuse.

What's a crock of shit is demanding drug testing of someone who is not a known steroid user, and being so uncompromising that it breaks the biggest fight in history.

If Floyd had some fucking balls, he would have just fought Pacman, with the same testing he had with all his other opponents, like Hearns did with Leonard.

And regarding taking Pacman not wanting a blood test close to the fight, sure it sounds like bollocks, it might be bollocks, but it's not something pulled out of the air, he said after the Morales fight he thought blood tests weakened him, and didn't like them.

Lest we not forget too Kauki, Pacman DID agree to random urine. Blood tests aren't the be all and end all. If blood tests were that great, wouldn't at least 1 Olympian have been caught for using HGH? And if the piss tests were that useless, why did James Toney, another fighter trained by Freddie "The Alchemist" Roach - fail a basic post fight urine test?

 

Nah, you're just an idiot.

 

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Predictable response, my feeble friend.

Hey Kenny, what website do you write for now?

 

I don't write for websites anymore.

 

Why not?

 

Why do you care?

 

Well I'm a big fan of your work, and I would be dismayed to see that you'd stopped living the dream - had given up on writing, and were sweeping floors or something instead.

 

Thanks, fan. I haven't stopped writing.

 

So do you write for a tangible publication now?

 

Something like that.

 

He became 'targetted' due to the suspicious nature of his refusal and instant withdrawal from the fight and the contradictory lies exposed in the aftermath, had he agreed on this proposed safety net, the word 'target' wouldn't be so evident.
Had Pacquiao requested this of Fraud, and he reacted as consistant as a guilty man would act, I'd be on the same side as you, (because, you wouldn't be crossing the floor in defense of Fraud :crafty:).

So tell me, what if he is taking performance enhancers in consistancy with the tangiental evidence, and the NSAC's weak and ridiculed system can never detect them?.. and thus he continues fighting and winning while enhanced by some very sophisticated chemical engineers... Is it right for him to exploit another corrupt loophole in boxing and continue on his merry way?, is it right for anybody?.. What's the only way of making sure that this doesn't happen, and where's the best fight to introduce the new testing policy?

We can't take Pacquiao's word that he isn't a drugs cheat,.. like the way his wife shouldn't have taken Pacquiao's word that he's not an adulterer,.. he's 'lied before' , and to his family, ........so it's just like Fraud on the scales and the excuse that it was an unprecedented yet warranted 10m per pound demand,..if we simply took somebodies word as a guaranteed precursor to innocence, then we'd have near 100 percent of criminals still rampant on the streets.

 

No one on this board likes to talk about that.

 

Interesting Kenny, very interesting. Where can I procure said literature containing the Bouhairie words of wisdom? And how does one call it?

 

Boxing Digest and Boxing News but the latter is sold only abroad. Typical stuff.

 

I'm telling you, if the roles were reversed I would feel the same way.

As suspicious as it seems from Team Pacquiao, I am an optimist, and I believe innocent until proven guilty.

I am not adverse to criticising a fighter I like.

When this story came about, my instant reaction was "Pac refuse tests! Pac must be on PEDs".

But it was a kneejerk reaction. And the reason I changed my mind was simple. Well two reasons. One - there is no tangible evidence. Two - I put myself in Manny's shoes, even being innocent, I might well refuse the tests, in fact I probably would.

If there were rumours about Plasterito having loaded gloves before he was caught, I wouldn't have believed them either, even though I hate Plasterito. It takes getting caught for me to think someone is guilty.

If Pacman gets caught, then like Plasterito, I think it would be safe to assume that it wouldn't be the first time he cheated.

I really do hope Pacquiao isn't using PEDs though, and despite my arguing his case, I wouldn't really like to say either way - I just think he is innocent until proven guilty, and I don't see the refusal as an admission of guilt.

 

What about all the contradictory excuses he and his team have told? What do you see that as?

 

Good for you Kenneth. It seems odd moving from the internet to more old fashioned media, but I guess one can assume that an established physical publication might pay better, as a writer.

With the internet being the internet, and as big as it is now, I didn't think there would be much market for physical publications these days. I know in the videogame industry, all the biggest publications are online only.

 

Luckily, I don't rely on articles to pay the bills. But yeah, pays much better and the internet wouldn't be too hard to get back into if I could find my niche. But I have no interest in churning out a plethora of articles for little. So I churn out less articles for just a little more ::

 

I don't know, it's suspicious, no doubt.

What I think is Manny didn't want the testing done to begin with (for whatever reason) - but Roach initially agreed right? And perhaps the weight clause etc were introduced to try to get Flid to back off the testing demands. IE hoping that Floud would refuse the absurd weight penalty, and they could then say, OK we'll drop the weight clause, you drop the testing.

 

No kidding. Coupled with his outright refusal, it's almost damning. But why the issue with the testing? What is their issue?

 

I thought as much, you have to admit it does seem weird though, that the virtual metropolis that is the internet wouldn't pay as much as an old fashioned paper. But I guess the internet is just so incredibly saturated in pretty much all areas, and so easy to get into compared to offline versions of the same industries.

 

Yup, I think you answered it yourself. It's just ridiculous, really. I do like the British rag I write for; helps the chops a bit. And the other rag allows me to do stuff not so time sensitive so I think that creates some interest. Nice little money on the side but won't buy me a house.