Mayweather-Mosley NY Presser

Exactly

 

Its cause Floyd has a gigantic fuckin head!

 

he may not be the same but I don't think he's degraded to the point you can't conclude that Pacquiao out-performed Mosley in their respective fights against him.

 

Truth be told...

I would have picked Pacquiao to dismantle the undefeated Cotto that Mosley faced.

But Neil is right in principle...a fighter is seldom the same after a hellacious beating like that.

 

That's a blanket statement. I'm sure the concrete gloves had an effect on Cotto, but Plasterito took a beating too, if Cotto wasn't the same, neither was Plasterito.

In his next two fights Cotto didn't look close to being shot.

He actually looked pretty good and sharp against Pacquiao too in the first few rounds before Pacman took over and started giving him a proper beating.

Shane is a few years older and worse for wear too.

Personally I think Shane would be a tougher fighter for Pacquiao than Cotto - stylistically - but the bottom line is Cotto holds a close win over Shane, and Pacquiao beat the fuck out of Cotto. I have no doubt Pacquiao would have hammered the very same Cotto that beat Mosley.

 

I only realised this when REED posted a pic of him next to Floyd. Floyd does have a pretty big head actually.

Must be the HGH ::

 

What's REALLY Funny is that REED has an ABOVE Average Sized Head Himself...



REED:mj:

 

Mosley and Mayweather are both better than ANY welterweight pacquiao has fought. What is there to really argue? Cotto wasnt the same guy against Pacquiao that he was when he (narrowly) defeated Mosley.

All this other shit you just typed is irrelevant. Bottom line is this: would ANYONE have favored Cotto over Mosley if they had fought in May of last year?

 

I've been saying, ever since Floyd came back he looks huge. I was watching clips of Marquez, and then his last fight against Hatton before he retired. Definate difference.

Floyd is a full fledged WW. He's filled out a lot since he retired in '07.

 

Arguable @ this stage, but not an answer to the question.

 

to what question. nothing really arguable about it.

mosley is coming off the best victory of his entire career, albeit over a year ago. what welterweight has pacquiao fought that is as good as mosley, or mayweather jr ?

 

we don't know if it was Mosley's best win. i'd argue his best win came in 2001. plus, we simply don't know how good or shitty Margarito actually is without his plaster.

 

i'm not arguing he's the same. i'm simply saying whatever decline Cotto has had, it doesn't account fully for how easily Pacquia dominated him.

 

Cotto had declined enough to where no one in their right mind would have favored him over Mosley in a rematch.

 

Exactly. I was as impressed as the next guy with Shane's performance, especially considering I'm a Mosley fan, but Plasterito looked like a bum without his magic handwraps.

And Neil - yes I think a lot of people would have picked Cotto actually, seeing as he hasn't looked shot since Plasterito.

And like I said, Cotto didn't look any worse than he's ever looked against Pacman in the early going, he didn't look close to being shot, ruined etc.

So your statement is simply wrong, that Pacquiao has never faced a welterweight as good as Mosley or Cotto. He hammered a guy that beat Mosley, and it remains to be seen just how good Floyd is at welterweight.

 

People were saying Shane was shot after the Mayo fight.

 

are you being serious? what were they saying after he wiped his ass with the fella who ruined cotto?

 

Yeah I'm being serious. Even if it was the usual kneejerk reaction, people were saying Shane was done after he struggled with Mayorga. Do you not even remember that?

And with good reason, they were hyped after he smashed the shit out of Plasterito, but like I said, Plasterito looked like a fucking bum.

And if Cotto was shot, he wouldn't have even beaten Clottey.

Honestly, Cotto has looked surprisingly un-shot since losing to Plasterito and his magic handwraps, I even said as much before he fought Pacquiao.

 

Cotto looked like garbage against Clottey. He was just lucky that Clottey has the same tendency to fade at the end of fights that he does.

 

read this very carefully because you dont seem to be comprehending a simple concept here.

Mosley and Mayweather Jr, are both better than ANY welterweight Pacquiao has fought.

Cotto was not shot when pacquaio fought him but he was nowhere near his best.

Mosley looked like shit against Mayorga, but then he just destroyed the guy who dismantled cotto. Mayweather jr is not fighting Mosley coming off his shit performance against Mayorga, nor is he fighting him at 154 lbs. He is fighting mosley after his career best victory at welterweight, over margarito. If you think what margarito did to cotto didnt diminish him in any way then continuing this discussion any further is obviously a lost cause.

 

No doubt Mosley looked awesome against Margarito, but Margarito also looked like shit - he had a crap camp apparently and may have relied previously on his wraps, who knows...it doesn't change the footage of Mosley frequently being beaten to the punch by Mayorga, I'm guessing thats the guy we'll see against mayweather unfortunately...

Its ridiculous to speculate as to how badly the Cotto who fought Pacquaio was dimished, but give Mosley a pass after over a year of inactivity and over 2.5 years since he fought (and lost to) a fighter with even reasonable handspeed

 

Obviously it's arguable. That is why in your last few posts you've been arguing about it. Anyway I'll leave you to that..
As far as the question that you didn't answer, it was this:

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regardless, whoever wins this bout must be viewed as the top welterweight.
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What if Pac destroys Clottey, & PBF wins a close dec where he potshots, hardly ever engages & does just enough "not to lose"?

 

Shane Mosley is going to look like a punching bag against Floyd after he makes the first 4 rounds competitive. Shane has a GREAT chin..and Floyd doesn;t have one punch KO power...but that doesn't matter if you're getting hit with at least 60% of the powerpunches thrown your way. Floyd is going to tattoo his ass, unfortunately.

First stoppage loss of Shane's illustrious career...

 

No Neil, you bellend, read this carefully - Mosley is not better than ANY welterweight Pacquiao has fought, because Pacquiao just beat a guy who beat Mosley. Therefore Pacquiao has not just fought someone better than Mosley, he's beaten someone better than Mosley.

Obviously your agenda is to give Floyd as much credit as possible for fighting Mosley, but you're talking absolute shit.

 

I agree, good post.

To be fair though, Shane has never looked good at 154. All his best performances have come at 147. He is obviously past his best though, despite the Plasterito arse whupping.

 

Who hasn't looked like garbage against Clottey? The guy is a good fighter.

 

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BELL END NEIL!:cheer:

 

Id love to hear how this would go if Mayweather jr had fought Cotto and Pacquiao had fought Mosley. you fellas lack objectivity. cotto suffered a severe, career altering beatdown against Margarito. that is a fact

 

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