Who of the color era poses the biggest threat to Sugar Ray at Welterweight? Ray Leonard? Tommy Hearns? Manny Pacquiao? Oscar? Mosley? Duran? Other? Or does Robinson blow them all out of the water?
Leonard would have the best shot. Duran being not too far behind. I think he beats the rest. Not necessarily "blowing them out of the water" but winning.
The best chance would be for Leonard. If Hearns' whiskers were more reliable, he'd be a shoo-in for the top threat spot. He had a few attributes which play importantly against Robinson --- a fighter who was not unbeatable, contrary to the mythology.
Agreed. It's not Tommy's chin was complete glass, but i don't think he would durable enought to handle Robinson's two-fisted bombs all night. A Hearns with a granite chin would almost be unfair though. ::
If Hearns were iron-jawed, I still think he'd be no sure-thing against Robinson. The way he put out Fullmer & LaMotta at Middle --- two fully-fledged 160lbers with kevlar-reinforced chins --- means no 147lber is truly safe. Then, too, even Hearns didn't have all the attributes Robinson possessed, but he did seem to struggle with two types of fighters, of which, Hearns was clearly one.
Oscar is of the "color Tv" group of fighters. but if you're talking "race"....oscar is a white man...plain and simple.
He's a White Hispanic. Hispanic isn't just one race. Tito trinidad is "hispanic" too. Looks black to me...
Hispanic is a developing race because people are stupid. Tito is 100% black, as is Ronaldo, Ronaldino, Anderson Silva. Oscar isn't even an Indian mix like a Maradona or most SAs, straight up Spaniard.
Latinos (hispanics) are not a homogenous group. Lots of difference races fall under that umbrella. A guy like Tito is not the same race as a guy like De La Hoya. This much is apparent by just looking at the two of them. One is a black Hispanic and the other a white hispanic.
They are different nationalities, but not different ethnicities. They are both collectively hispanic, or latino. That is different again from, "white" (caucasian, for instance) or, "black" (aboriginal, for example) in the traditional sense.
Look at this racist argument brewing and none of you had the decency to send me an invite.....:crafty: "Hispanic" is a broad term, and undoubtedly caters for people of just about every blend of White, Black and Amer-Indian WHO SPEAK SPANISH IN A NATIVE CAPACITY. By "Indian" we mean the Indigenous peoples of South America and The Carribean, Excluding BRAZIL. Brazil has the same blend of Afro, Indio and Caucasian, but they speak Portuguese. Not Spanish. Trinidad is Hispanic. Black Hispanic. He speaks Spanish in a native capacity and is predominantly African in his ancestry. Oscar is Hispanic. White Hispanic. He speaks Spanish in a native secondary capacity and is predominantly European in his ancestry. Edwin Valero is Hispanic. Ameri-Indian/White.....he speaks Spanish in a native capacity and is of mixed European and Indian lineage. Fernando Vargas, on the other hand, is merely an annoying fat cunt.
Look at this racist argument brewing and none of you had the decency to send me an invite.....:crafty: "Hispanic" is a broad term, and undoubtedly caters for people of just about every blend of White, Black and Amer-Indian WHO SPEAK SPANISH IN A NATIVE CAPACITY BUT ARE NOT FROM SPAIN. By "Indian" we mean the Indigenous peoples of South America and The Carribean, Excluding BRAZIL. Brazil has the same blend of Afro, Indio and Caucasian, but they speak Portuguese. Not Spanish. Trinidad is Hispanic. Black Hispanic. He speaks Spanish in a native capacity and is predominantly African in his ancestry. Oscar is Hispanic. White Hispanic. He speaks Spanish in a native secondary capacity and is predominantly European in his ancestry. Edwin Valero is Hispanic. Ameri-Indian/White.....he speaks Spanish in a native capacity and is of mixed European and Indian lineage. Fernando Vargas, on the other hand, is merely an annoying fat cunt.
Yes. In reality, Hispanic is not an ethnic background and I want to choke someone every time I see that box next to my traditional 6 ethnicities(White, Black, Asian, Arab, Native American and Pacific Islander) Hispanic is the odd man out when listed there, and it's retarded they even list it just to appease some people who were so retarded they kept checking the other box. One time I saw one worse, I saw a box that read "Puerto Rican" I went and wrote in "Papua New Guinean" to spite them.
Oscar is not predominantly European in his ancestry. His ancestry is Mexican, which is Central American --- a long way from home, as Europe is concerned. Yes, mexico was colonised by Europeans, but that does not mean the people are then European genetically --- even if they come to speak the European language. I realise over time the two breed, but his native ancestry is traced to Mexico, a Centro-American country, not Spain, a European one.
That's like saying that: " Usain Bolt is not predominantly African in his ancestry. His ancestry is Jamaican, which is Caribbean -- a long way from home, as Africa is concerned. Yes, Jamaica was colonised by Europeans who brought African slaves with them, but that does not mean the people are then African genetically........but his native ancestry is traced to Jamaica, a Caribbean island, not Africa."
I know. I like Ramon, I do, but deep within Ramon is a really stupid white person, just bursting to get out. The things Ramon is saying are standard-issue "I'm white and dont get Race" material. Peace Ramon...you will always me my Mythical-Matchups Man.:cheer:
Have to agree with Sly on this one. Although that said, Oscar and Tito probably share a similar proportion of down-the-line ethnic ancestry as say Muhammed Ali does with Ike Quartey. Im sure Tito has some Spanish in and both of them have some native indian in him. Plus the Spanish themselves have plenty North African in them. Bottom line is race is just a continuum of genetic traits, with arbitrary cut off points we've divided them into. Black & white just as much as hispanic. They're all constructs. I mean why isn't 'ginger' a race? Isn't it a unique set of genetics traits linked to distinct geographic place, like any other 'race' isnt it?
