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Maybe, I guess we'll see when a world class boxer in his prime step over to mma

 

on my first day in a boxing gym, a trainer told me that pretty much any goon can hit like a motherfucker as it's pretty much natural, but that a good defense takes many many hours of training. That's what, imo, MMA fighters lack, and that's why we see so many upsets too.

 

It's mainly due to the diversity of disciplines involved.

 

For sheer entertainment, yeah, I am more looking forward to Mir-Carwin than Mayweather-Mosely.

Not sure what that means, but UFC 111 just peaks my interest more.

I mean seriously, you get to see one of the Top 5 guys in the world defend his belt. And then two of the top HW's square off. Damn, just the fact that Carwin has never been extended beyond the first round and now he's facing a Frank Mir that might be the best he's ever been is amazing.

Hell, even the Spike Prelims feature Matt Brown vesus Ricardo Almedia and Nate Diaz vs Rory Markham.

Mayweather-Mosely is compelling because I love Shane. But I have also sat through a handful of Mayweather fights that were snorefest and I also realize Shane is 38 years old fight one of the fastest guys in the history of boxing. 12 rounds of nothing is my prediction.

To each his own I guess, but that is the way I see it.

 

Fail.


TFK

 

Only 1 extra week for Machida-Shogun. Too bad Floyd doesn't fight that weekend as well ::

 

Yes. I'll take a good MMA fight over a good boxing match any day of the week. In my opinion, it's just a more entertaining sport to watch.

Besides, I swore a while back that I would never pay for another Mayweather fight, and I'm sticking by it. He's ripped off the public too many times before with his boring style. Perhaps if this were the fight we were supposed to see, with Pac, I'd make an exception, but a past his prime Mosley vs. a perpetually boring Mayweather just doesn't compare with the stacked UFC cards that are coming up.


TFK

 

When I say MMA has become more popular than boxing, I'm speaking about in the United States. As for the rest of the world, I really couldn't say because I have no idea.

TFK

 

TRANSLATION: It's NOT a "Fact" Afterall???....



REED:hammert:

 

I love MMA and watching it but for me, it is still 10 levels below boxing

 

In America is certainly is.

TFK

 

Based ON???...Oh Yeah, a Couple Years Worth of DISPUTED #'s...Got It!....


REED:hammert:

 

It's amazing how your so negative about a fight between Floyd and Shane yet will blow off fights between mediocre UFC fighters. Mir is fat and got his ass handed to him by a rookie WWE wrestler and Carwin is garbage and beat nobody good. Floyd and Shane are HOF'ers. Not on the same level at all.

 

You won't pay for PBF/Mosley but will pay for Couture/Coleman:laughing:

 

Actually, I didn't even watch Couture\Coleman.

TFK

 

Floyd is a boring fighter to watch, period. I don't care how good he is, he's not worth paying to watch. Especially when in a consolation prize fight against a past his prime Mosley.

TFK

 

Yep...That Hatton Fight Put Half of England to Sleep, Didn't It???....



REED:shit:

 

Didn't Brandon Vera Beat the Living Shit Out of Mir Too???...& Wasn't Mir in a MAJOR Accident Not Loooooooooong Ago...Yet Somehow, Mir-Carwin is Supposed to B a BETTER Fight than Floyd-Shane...



REED:mj:

 

Yeah, Floyd and Shane are HOF boxers but that doesn't mean it will equate to an entertaining fight.

And Mir isn't fat or garbage. The dude was in amazing shape for Nog and Kongo, both of whom he destroyed easily. Beyond that, he is easily among the best heavyweight BJJ practioners in the world. Carwin probably should be considered untested but again, he was a decorated college wrestler with heavy hands, so I wouldn't call him garbage either (at least not to his face). Plus Carwin was a two-time Div II All American Football player in college, which will always make him OK in my book.

But as TFK said, Carwin-Mir is just a far more entertaining prospect than Mayweather-Mosley. Add the other fights on the UFC 111 card, including the main event by the way, and it's hands-down a better value from an entertainment perspective.

Seriously, does no one remember Mayweather's virtual borefest with Judah and Baldomir. Hell even the fight with Oscar was boring outside the few times Floyd threw punches with hurtful intent. And aside from the fight-ending hook against Hatton, Mayweather's hit and grab style combined with Hatton's uncoordinated bum rushes nearly put me to sleep.

At least with Carwin-Mir there is a damn good chance for some fireworks and a dramatic ending.

That being said, Mayweather-Manny would be a must see. But as is usually the case in boxing nowadays, it ain't happening.

 

Come on Reed. I know you are smarter than that dude. I could easily say, wasn't Mosely beaten like a rag doll by Vernon or wasn't Mayweather retired a short while ago. And Mir has fully recovered and looks as good as he ever has.

Shane and Floyd are far more accomplished in boxing than Mir and Carwin are in MMA but skill and accomplishments don't necessarily make for an exciting match-up. Most boxing fans point to Gatti-Ward as one of the top 10 most exciting fights of modern times, yet neither guy was a Hall of Famer.

But this is really a case of "...to each his own." I have no issue with anyone anticipating Mayweather-Mosley more than UFC 111. I was simply sharing my personal opinion, which I think is relevant to the conversation because I am a 35+ year boxing fan.

 

Mir was in a bad motorcycle accident back in 2004 that broke his leg into two places and caused major knee injuries. When he came back, he came back way too early, and his performances against Vera, Christianson and Cruz showed that. But since then, he's gotten himself back to form and looked very impressive in wins against Hardonk, Lesnar, Nog and Kongo, with the loss to Lesnar in the rematch in between.

Mir is a Top 5 Heavyweight who is in his prime facing an up and coming Top 10 Heavyweight who has looked unstoppable. Between both fighter's 28 total fights, only 2 have gone to a decision.

Mir is a former champion and interim champ with some of the best BJJ out of all MMA heavyweights. Carwin has a decorated wrestling background and has never gone past the first round. The winner of the fight is most likely going to get a title shot in their next fight. Fireworks are guaranteed.

So yes, that's a much more appealing fight then feather-fisted Mayweather with his cowardly style dancing for 12 rounds against a past his prime Mosley who went life or death and barely beat a horribly shot Mayorga.


TFK

 

sadly i disagree.

the only reason a world class boxer does (or will do) well, is because of the athleticism gap.

no doubt if equal athletes train boxing, and thai boxing...the thai will have the advantage. it is the fact that anybody who is killing people in thai boxing using exclusively their hands (see khaosai galaxy) will switch over to boxing.

leg kicks and knees from the clinch negate alot of what is used in the boxing ring.

 

WOW!!...U Couldn't have Presented a More SLANTED Portrayal if U TRIED, yet U DENY Having an Agenda...U're a Punchline PERSONIFIED...



REED:hammert:

 

Honestly, Reed, what makes you think Mosley\Floyd will be a good fight? We know it's a 'big' fight, but what makes you think it will be entertaining?


TFK

 

This is well said and is pretty much my opinion as well. Boxing ppv's used to be stacked. I remember Ricardo Lopez, Felix Trinidad, and many other great fighters on Tyson undercards. Now you get the likes of Rocky Juarez on PPV undercards. Boxing became its own worst enemy. MMA exploded mainly because there are a shitload of fans out there who love combat sports but want to be entertained. You can call them mouth breathers, knuckle-draggers, but the truth is they are the same guys who loved Tyson and paid big money to watch him KO Spinks in 93 seconds.

 

I agree completely. A big part of the reason that boxing is having issues is weak cards. Sure there are some great fights out there, but if the fight has a bad undercard, lots of people will have a problem with dishing out $50 to watch it. If boxing were to stack cards like MMA does, it will definately be in much better shape.

 

Despite his Age, Sugar Shane Mosley STILL Has Very Good SPEED & POWER...He's BIGGER & STRONGER than Floyd Mayweather...He has an EXCELLENT Chin & Floyd's Actually PUSHING his Buttons, which'll Only Make Shane Fight that Much HARDER...

& we're Talking about a Guy that was ALREADY an ENERGETIC, Fairly AGGRESSIVE Fighter...

WHY Will Mosley/Floyd B Entertaining???...Because Sugar Shane WON'T Allow Floyd to just POTSHOT his Way to a Boring Decision...Floyd's Gonna have To Throw MORE Punches than he Did vs. Marquez & Put Some MUSTARD ON those Shots....

Shane's Gonna MAKE Floyd Fight...



REED:hammert:

 

I really hope you're right.

Shane has showed at times he can be put back by a simple good jab and Floyd of course has one himself.