Early PPV estimates for Pacquiao-Clottey.

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blog/_/name/rafael_dan

 

Arum sounds a little worried.

 

650,000???...Like REED's Said All Along, the Fact that Pac-Cotto Outdrew Floyd-Marquez is Because of Pac AND Cotto, as Opposed to JUST Pac Exclusively...REED Bets Floyd-Shane will Sell MORE than Pac-Cotto Did, which will Rightfully Give Floyd a SLIGHT Edge @ the Negotiating Table...

Sure, these R Just PRELIMINARY #'s, but they AIN'T About to Increase Much More...MAYBE 700-750,000, which R GOOD PPV #'s, but NOT Enough to DEMAND Parity for the Biggest Fight Ever...

REED:mj:

 

same old same old......


Pac will get parity. If he doesn't, then fuck it, I won't mind if he tells Floyd to go fuck himself.

If it's the biggest fight ever, then Pac has to be responsible for 50% of the attraction.

 

It will be 50/50 split...regardless of numbers just like it was in their first talk....now if Mayweather demands extra drug testing, or a 50x50 ring, or if Pacquiao request that Mayweather don't be allow to take his Xylocaine dose etc..then it might get a bit complicated...

 

Since WHEN???...NOBODY has a Problem Acknowledging that Floyd WASN'T 50% Responsible for the Dela Fight Being THE Highest Seller EVER...


REED:dunno:

 

I can't possibly see how Pac doing 750k against a non-attraction like Clottey can be used to diminish his value in this fight. It's only 250k less than Floyd did in his COMEBACK fight against JMM who's one of the most recognizable names in the sport. While attracting 52k paying spectators no less. Lets not go down this route again, both guys are clearly household superstars.

 

Floyd was about 1/4 the PPv attraction Oscar was at that point. That we're even (repeatedly) having these multi page debates on who's the bigger attraction in this case undercuts that comparison.

 

JMM Isn't as Much of a "Non-Attraction" as Clottey, but he NEVER did So Much as 500,000 PPV's, Even w/Pac as his Dance Partner...Yet he Did a MILLION PPV's w/Floyd...Is that Merely a COINCIDENCE to U???...

People had NO Problem Using Pac-Cotto to "Prove" that Pac Deserved Parity w/Floyd, Even Though Cotto is MORE of a Proven Draw that JMM....



REED:kidcool:

 

REED Only Suggested that Floyd Get a SLIGHT Edge @ the Bargaining Table...55-45 Max, Contingent Upon the Mosley Fight Doing RIDICULOUS #'s (ie. MORE than Pac-Cotto)...



REED:mj:

 

650,000 is decent for the fight, I didnt think it would get past 600 based on the interest around here.

 

...then the fight won't happen.

 

A lot of people have cable systems...Preliminary, that's what they are...prelim. The fight will do over a mil...

 

I didn't even know Pacman/Clottey was on that day until just 4 hours before the fight started. Just not a fight I cared for. Much like that abomination Floyd/Baldomir.

 

is this as iron clad as your proclamation that mayweather jr and mosley wouldnt fight?

 

Of course, numbers don't lie but ESTIMATES are not iron clad. It's also no lie that Mayweather didn't have a CHOICE but to sign to fight Mosley.

If he came up with the testing excuse then proceeded to fight Campbell, Paulie or Matthew Hatton while Pacquaio was fighting ANOTHER top ten REAL welterweight.....

 

REED Loves how Floyd is GOING TO FIGHT Shane, yet Still CAN'T Get Credit for it...Whether Floyd had a "Choice" or Not, the Fight IS HAPPENING...It's CHILDISH to NITPICK & Criticize a Guy for a Fight that's GOING to Happen....



REED:hammert:

 

There is still a few weeks for Floyd to find another excuse to pull out of this one!::

Just kidding Reed. 16 months ago Mosley was on top of his game. I'll be the first to DEFEND that Mosley was not old and over the hill. If Floyd beats Mosley it will be a great achievement.

 

If the fight does more then 650,000 or not all that means is that boxing is not dying nor is it dead! I'll Holla 5000

 

Pac is a decent draw even in a fight against someone unknown to all but die hard boxing fans (Clottey). Floyd is a similar draw. You could maybe make a case that Floyd draws a bit more on his own than Pac, but I agree that it is not worth fighting over if Pac/Floyd ever appears to be in the works. 50/50 makes things much easier, and is more or less justifiable anyway. Yes, Mosley/PBF will do more than Pac/Clottey, but Mosley is a far more recognized opponent than was Clottey.

As with many things, it is the combination of fighters that often makes a fight rise geometrically in PPV numbers. When you look at PBF/Pac, there is a good chance either fighter could win. So you have fans of these fighters excited about a fight with no certain outcome. Then you get the popularity of both these guys amongst the casual fan who never heard of someone like Joshua Clottey...but they have almost certainly heard of one or both of these guys. Then you get the people who hate Floyd and will buy this to see him hopefully get knocked out. Add some good trash talk in the press conferences, Floyd says Manny is a drug addict, Manny says he is going to punish Floyd, Roach says he knows how to beat Floyd and Manny will KO Floyd in the 9th.... and it gets even better. You know Roach won't be able to keep his mout shut. Then you get Manny to say he's retiring after this fight to be a politician, and it gets billed as Pac's "final fight". Add in HBO's 24/7 and some controversy over PED testing, and you have one massive fucking fight. Nobody needs to drink their own urine to sell this one.

It would be a Shakespearean tragedy if this fight was materializing and then it fell apart because one or both fighters demanded more money than the other.

 

That's a big jump from 650,000.

 

GF,

There are more then 2 stars in boxing. Now there aren't more then 2 mega stars but there are more then 2 stars. Now those guys won't sell produce the types of PPV numbers but that still don't mean that they aren't stars. We can go down the list of boxing stars. I'll Holla 5000

 

Dude, how can you really compare Pac's numbers he did against JMM to what Floyd did YEARS later? How can you possibly say that is a fair comparison? So Pac isn't any more popular now than he was when he faced JMM? How about comparing any PPV that Floyd had Pre-Oscar to what Manny did with Cotto or Clottey. That's about as fair as what you are doing.

You don't hear me saying Floyd didin't gain popularity after the Oscar and Hatton fight. Floyd wasn't a draw before those fights. Those are the fights that made Floyd a PPV draw. Same with Manny. He is more popular today than he has ever been.

 

JMM's PPV's w/Pac & Floyd were 18 MONTHS Apart, Dude...



REED:mj:

 

It did better than I thought. I expected around 500,000 buys.

 

In the US, perhaps. Hatton regularly sells a million plus in the UK, while Haye's fight against Valuev did between 800,000-1 million here alone.

MTF

 

What? The Klitschkos are doing 15-25 million people on tv back in Germany.

Boxing has plenty of stars.

Boxing needs to go back to the day when you didn't have to pay a fortune to watch a fight.