Fights where the result woulda been different if the loser was prime

Give some examples of fights that woulda been different if the loser was prime. Put them into two categories. Examples where theres NO DOUBT that the results woulda been different, and examples where its likely the results woulda been different, but where you could still make a case for the past-primmed fighter losing. I'll start.

Fights where theres NO DOUBT the results woulda changed if the loser was prime:

Leonard-Norris
Ali-Berbick
Tyson-Williams, McBride
All of RJ's losses
Chavez-Randall, Tszyu
Tszyu-Hatton
Foreman-Morrison
Mosley-Cotto
Hopkins-Taylor

Fights where its arguable if the results woulda changed if the loser was prime:

Tyson-Holmes
Tyson-Lewis
Tyson-Holy
Bowe-Golota
Whitaker-Tito
Norris-Curry
Hamed-Barrera

Others?

 

I would probably say all of Chavez's losses in my opinion other than Whitaker(yes I know it was a draw but Chavez lost that fight)

And for an example on MIGHT be different would be Louis - Marciano

 

Any fight with Joe Calzaghe in it.

 

Tszyu is by far a better fighter than Hatton, but I just have the feeling Ricky always wins that one, Kostya would never be truly comfortable against that mauling style, and I am far from a fan of Hatton.

Agreed on RJ, but I think Calzaghe gives him a suprisingly tough fight, losing a decision

I would be confident of Sweet Pea beating Tito in his prime

 

I thought Roy's loss against Montell Griffin was in Roy's prime?

 

bowe beat golota twice

 

:dunno:

 

I'm HARDLY a Tszyu fan... everybody knows that. However I'm confident that the circa 99-00 Tszyu, like the version that beat MAG, woulda stretched Hatton within 8 rounds. Thats even IF they fought in England.

 

True... you know what I meant though. Theres those that argue that Golota had the style to give ANY version of Bowe hell. Personally, I'm not of that school. I think the 92 Bowe woulda beat the shit outta the Pole.

 

I'm sure you're not alone in thinking that, and many would agree with you, but I always thought Hatton would have done well against any version of Tszyu, even back when Tszyu was beating the likes of MAG and Zab and Hatton was defending his WBU belt against bums. Just a styles thing.

 

I think Golota woulda been a handful for any version of Bowe.

 

Mosley - Cotto would have been the same.
Not convinced that Tszyu - Hatton would have been much different.

Tyson - Holmes is a tough one.
Tyson - Holyfield is also a tough one.

In both cases it may have suimply been a styles thing.

Bowe-Golota is tough to I agree.

Good choices on the arguables X! :bears:

 

I think so too.

Bowe preyed on smaller/older fighters. Golota was the same size as Bowe, just as strong and just as dirty.

 

Sly, your Mosley hatred has reached new heights!

The 2000-2001 Mosley would have wrecked Cotto, no ifs, ands, or buts!

 

No he owuldn't have, but yes he would have beaten Cotto, you go a little overboard when you think someone would win...

 

A prime Mosley woulda beaten Cotto up just as badly as Manny did.

 

No. No he wouldn't. Sorry.
but I say 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3 type.
Maybe with a knockdown or 2. but he lasts the distance.

 

This is another insecurity, fantasy-therapy thread.

But I got one anyway,..

Douglas - Tyson,.. had it been the Tyson of 2 months earlier,.. eee woulda beetin' im ee would av! :shit:

 

No, but Mosley wins for sure.

 

Arguable:

Marciano-Louis
Mayweather-De La Hoya (depends on the weight, the higher in weight the better chance Oscar has)
De La Hoya-Chavez
Duran-Benitez at WW

 

I just cant see how anybody would favor Hatton over a prime Tszyu. The old, faded, rusty as hell Tszyu that Hatton beat was on even terms with Ricky until the later rounds when father time took over. Tszyu no longer had the reflexes to time Ricky coming in, yet he was still being competitive. A younger, quicker, sharper Tszyu lays Hatton's ass out.

I kinda feel the same way about Norris-Curry. Curry was giving Norris all he could handle until Terry's youth finally took over. I'd have to say that Norris probably couldnt handle the circa 84-85 Curry.

 

No way Hatton beats prime Zoo.
Anyone who thinks that Mosley would not clearly beat (if not stop) Cotto is a Mosley hater

Ali-Norton I
All old Foreman's loses (Holy arguable)


Arguable:
DLH-PBF
Holmes-Ali
Louis-Marciano
Holmes-Tyson
Holmes-Holyfield

 

Im not a Mosley hater at all, I actually am a fan, but I also don't take anything away from Cotto who is becoming underrated as of late because he lost to Margarito and Pacman. The guy is extremely good, and tough.
Mosley beats Cotto 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3.
but he doesn't beat the shit out of him or stop him or do what manny did to him, it was be a great fight, and not to say Mosley might not drop him but it would be competitive, and have close rounds.

 

I wouldn't have a problem with 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3. That is a clear win.

I do think that there would be about a 40% chance that SSM would TKO him though.
If he lands on the spot, he's a good finisher & Cotto is not extraordinarily tough & does not know how to (or chooses not to) tie up an opponent when he's in trouble.

 

Nah....

Shane was always an agressive stylistic slugger. This would have always played into Cotto's crisp sharp accurate punches on the inside and Shane would have elected to attempt to box Cotto cautiously as a result and the fight would have looked the same.

 

No way no how.

Shane didn't have Manny's workrate, overall speed (handspeed, yes..but not overrall speed), power and he wasn't an unpredictable southpaw.

You underrate Manny Pacquiao.

 

Yeah but...who did YOU pick in the Hatton-Tszyu fight, Xplosive?

No one was talking about how old and rusty Tzsyu was before that fight.

When Tszyu was prime he lost to Vince philips and stylewise, Ricky hatton would have always been all over his ass, grappling, wrestling and with high activity. I'm not sure a prie Tszyu would have fared much better...

 

shut the fuck up already, cotto was already softened up by margarito (illegal handwraps or not) by the time pac fought him. a prime mosley against that version of cotto would have been a similar beatdown...

 

Yes, I missed you too Phonetap.::

Against THAT version of Cotto, I tend to agree with you...but X was talking about the version of Cotto that Mosley fought (the undefeated version)

 

Vince Phillips fought a completely different fight to Hatton, and was fighting a completely different, pre-prime Tszyu...Prime Tszyu would still have had a tough time with the wrestling hatton but would have stopped him in ten IMO