That's funny, you act like there is never any quitting in boxing. I see quitting in boxing faaaar more than I do in MMA, you need to get off that kick. BTW, the tone is only for trolls.
You missed my point. Of course there's quitting in boxing. But when you quit in boxing, you're branded a quitter and you catch a ton of ridicule. More than MMA is a stretch (in fact it simply isn't true) but that wasn't my point anyway. You get so riled up Bob. You just need to take a deep breath and give using your brain an honest try. It's not about how quickly you can get back at me with poorly written posts filled with school yard insults.
How is it a strech. Give me a list of MMA fighters who have blatantly quit on their stools. Then make a list of boxers. The thing that you can't seem to grasp is that submitting to strikes is not the same thing as quitting. There is a big difference. I don't get riled up. It's just frustrating when an obvious hater of the sport who has no grasp of it tries to belittle it at every opportunity, no matter how off base his argument is.
No, Bob. This is a UFC on versus thread. Please try to keep the thread on topic. I know you love them, but no one wants another boxing vs MMA thread.
Bob, grow up. Getting so angry can't be good for you. Try to calm down, this place is supposed to be fun. I've been watching this sport since the mid-90s. I know what it's about.
Ok, so I smash your argument and now I am a child and need to grow up. Please, coming from the child who claims "hard as fuck". As far as watching since the 90's. Yeah sure, so you watched a couple of events since 1999, ok that matters.
Bob, this is a UFC on Versus thread. You think the other people who frequent this forum appreciate this back and forth? All I can offer is an olive branch... I mean this genuinely, if you ever have any MMA related questions, whether it be history or culture, I'm happy to share my knowledge with you. I think it's important for long time fans like myself to help the generation who started watching after Griffen/Bonnar I. Don't be afraid to ask bro.
? I re-watched the old UFCs last year. Your statement simply isn't true. It doesn't have to be this way man. When you're ready to post like an adult, let me know.
Yes, because it's far better to get your arm snapped and possibly lose out on 6-12 months of training and fighting because you're trying to regain function. That wasn't a 12oz glove he got hit with. It was a bare elbow to his cheekbone/eye socket.
And, as was pointed out earlier, there's no standing 8-count or 10-count. Once you're fucked, it's over. When John Mugabi got nailed by a punch against Duane Thomas. He immediately turned his head and ducked against the ropes. Why? Because his eye socket was broken. Vera got tagged with a wicked elbow. If it were boxing, you'd give the fighter the benefit of the doubt, steve_dave. Just maybe Vera was protecting himself because he felt something serious was wrong. Mixing this "culture of quitting"-propaganda into this thread was as needless as you mixing in that you found the new BBC documentary episodes more entertaining.
Who said better? Read the entire thread. And where did 12oz gloves come from? There are no 12oz gloves in boxing.
You guys need to relax. Saying "Culture of quitting" is Steve's way of saying MMA is a sport where sometimes one of the combatants has to concede in order to avoid taking serious damage. He was saying that it's different from boxing in the sense that elbows, knees, shins, tiny gloves, twisted limbs, cranked necks, etc. are potentially far more dangerous and many times the only choice is to save yourself and submit. He was 100% clear that in Vera's case after taking a nasty elbow that swelled up his eye, unlike in boxing, Vera couldn't run and dance for the remainder of the fight to avoid further punishment because he was pinned to the ground in close proximity to more of those potentially lethal elbows. You guys think Steve has nothing better to do than come into the MMA Forum, find the correct thread, and then intentionally slander the sport? He's better than that.
Exactly. In MMA, you can "save yourself and submit". In boxing, if you do that, you're a pussy. I'm not saying either system is right or wrong. Good post, liqueur. :bears:
They're both right. If you quit in boxing to avoid taking more punches with big gloves, that's a little gay. In MMA, ain't nothing gay about tapping from an armbar so you don't look like Tim Sylvia.
Agreed. :bears: It's simple math. Tap = giving up. Giving up = quitting. An average of two or three taps per night in MMA = quitting culture in the sport. Tapping, or quitting (exactly the same thing) is a part of the sport. It's ingrained in the culture. I didn't mean it as a negative. There's no shame in quitting.
I'm not excited about it at all. I just think it sounds disrespectful. I wonder how professional MMA practitioners would feel if steve_dave were to interview them about the "culture of quitting" in their combat sport.
MMA fighters don't have the luxury of taking a knee. But only a troll would equate a sport that features submissions with a culture of quitting. I give SD's troll job a 4.5 out of a possible 10. TFK
Vera is a veteran. The guy has been hit before. You knew it was something a little more serious based on his reaction. It kills me how fans of the sport can use the term 'bitch' when someone can't continue after a shot like that. But let's be honest, Jones is bringing the pain. He dislocated Hammil's shoulder and gashed him like a victim in Saw IV, and he then crushes Vera's skull. The dude is a hurt factory. I see many more 'bitches' in his future.
agREED... There's Something EXTRA about Jones' Victories...He Doesn't just BEAT Guys, he MAIMS Them, SLICES them Open &/or EMBARRASSES Them...For as Laid Back as he is in Interviews, Dude is VICIOUS in the Cage... REED:kidcool:
Bonnar was OK in the sense that he didn't have any broken bones or major gashes, but I can guarantee the dude felt beat the fuck up. Bonnar was slammed back-and-forth like an infant in a Pitbulls mouth He was caught with one of the nastiest illegal spinning elbows I've ever seen. Hurt or not, this couldn't have been much fun:
