Early PPV estimates for Pacquiao-Clottey.

Ok, so it wasn't "years" I was wrong there I admit that. The important part you failed to even address though, which was who he's fought since and how much more popular he is now compared to then. I'm sure you'll find a way to ignore it again though.

 

Both men were MADE as attractions by beating Oscar. Floyd fought Marquez after Oscar, Pac before. There is ZERO and I mean ZERO comparison to be made there.

 

What were Floyd's numbers in the Baldomir and Judah fights?

 

MORE than Pac-Marquez II, if REED's Not Mistaken...


REED:kidcool:

 

Fair Enough...Let's just DISregard Pac & Floyd's Respective fights w/JMM...Who Did BETTER #'s in their Bouts w/Dela???...



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600,000 K for a Pacquiao fight is not that good. With all the hype and exposure he has received in the last 18 months he should be doing 700-800K range easily.

 

That's not a fair comparison either.

People thought Oscar - Pacman was a joke of a fight, and past it or not, Oscar was too big for Pacman.

Oscar - Floyd was seen as nothing of the sort, and was marketed to fuck, and was home to the first 24/7 broadcast.

The only fair comparison is Hatton, where admittedly Floyd did better numbers, but they were close.

And does anyone really think Floyd would do better than 650k against Clottey? I don't. Nobody cares about Clottey, and he is a boring, negative fighter. 650 is not bad.

 

You are mistaken.

Floyd vs Gatti = 365K
Floyd vs Baldomir = 325K
Floyd vs Judah = 375K

Manny vs JMM II = 405K.

 

Which Brings Us Full Circle BACK to REED's Initial Point...Floyd would B JUSTIFIED in Demanding a SLIGHT Edge in the Split (55-45 MAX), ESPECIALLY if Pac Remains Adamant about NOT Undergoing Random Testing...



REED:kidcool:

 

REED's Bad...


REED:kidcool:

 

So Pre Oscar, Pac was actually a bigger draw, and to top it off Marquez is only known because of the Manny fights! So you can thank Pac for some of Floyd's success against JMM.

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I'm just fucking with you REED, I think we can agree that both are huge draws and the only superstars in boxing today.

 

wow those numbers are dismal. still, it's not a fair comparison. what were PBF's numbers at 130? 135? oh, wait. he never had a PPV show then because nobody knew wtf he was !!!!

A fair comparison is Floyd vs Judah vs. Pacquiao vs. Clottey

Pacquiao !!!! :bears:

PBF's just a whining bitch - claimed he'd be the biggest sports star on the planet if he weren't black. :atu:

 

How you figure??

And lets not forget that Pacquiao was in PPV at 130-135 cause he was fighting the best Mexican fighters of his generation. After destroying MAB on regular HBO..it was all PPV vs. the other mexicans at the time..Morales, MAB rematch, Marquez(was the 1st fight regular HBO?)..etc..they all help each other. Pacquiao made his bones and his popularity went up by defeating/fighting those guys...

 

On another note...

I'd be surprised if Jones-Hopkins II did over 100,000.

 

so? how the fuck else does a fighter get famous? not by fighting Baldomir and Judah back to back. the numbers speak for themselves.

take Castillo and PBF. fought twice on HBO. Castillo goes on to fight Corrales, and lo and behold, the rematch is on PPV.

point is, Pacquiao deserves credit for those PPVs because of what he achieved, and the threat he posed going into them. you act like every fight of Morales' or Barrera's was on PPV. No.

PBF carved out a nice RJJ PPV contract for himself fighting nobodies on PPV. And the numbers proved it.

And now it seems that for PBF to feel secure about fighting the best guys in his "own" division, he requires Olympic testing.

the reason it's a fair comparison is because Judah and Clottey are comparable opponents at the same weight class. and actually in PBF's case, he'd fought more fights at 147 by the time of the fight than Pacquiao had.

FAIR COMPARISON:

[PBF vs. Judah (Baldomir)] vs. [Pacquiao vs. Clottey]:

no 24/7 for either. both at 147. both 2-3 fights as welterweights.

Pacquiao wins !!!

 

Fair comparison would be Mayweather/Pacquiao vs. HATTON....it's not perfect since Hatton had already been KO'ed by Mayweather but it's best comparison that can be made...


PBF vs. Judah/Baldomir and Pacquiao vs. Clottey is not a fair comparison since Mayweather had NOT face DLH...and Pac had and also fought Cotto.

 

wait. so we have to control for how popular each fighter was going into the event? huh? isn't that what we're trying to determine?

doesn't matter. Pacquiao is clearly the more popular fighter. and more entertaining.

 

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You want to take the most recent Pacquiao fight and compare it to a fight Mayweather had 2-3 years ago, before he fought DLH or HATTON. HOW is that FAIR??


THE FAIREST comparison is still to COME....IMO the numbers for Cotto vs. Pacquiao and Mayweather vs. Mosley should be use to see who is the bigger draw.

Cause Cotto and Mosley are similar popularity wise...Cotto might be a bit more popular...but not by much.

 

These "who got da most bling, who got da most numbers, who got da most cash".. threads are always a winner.

 

Updated: March 23, 2010, 4:27 PM ET
Pacquiao-Clottey earns big PPV bucks

By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
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Manny Pacquiao's lopsided unanimous decision against Joshua Clottey generated 700,000 pay-per-view buys and $35.3 million in domestic television revenue, HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said Tuesday.

The pound-for-pound king routed Clottey to retain his welterweight title on March 13 in the first boxing event staged at Jerry Jones' $1.2 billion Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

Clottey, a native of Ghana living in New York, brought no significant fan base to the fight and was virtually unknown to the masses, so the figures are a credit to Pacquiao's popularity.

"We are extremely pleased with the pay-per-view performance of Pacquiao-Clottey. Fights like this traditionally do not exceed 400,000 buys," Taffet said. "It is a testament to the popularity of Pacquiao and the vitality of the sport, and it gives us great encouragement as we look toward the May 1 Mayweather-Mosley pay-per-view fight."

The breakdown for Pacquiao-Clottey was 350,000 buys from cable homes, 310,000 from satellite homes and 40,000 from telco homes.

Based on his pay-per-view history, Pacquiao, of the Philippines, has become a crossover star in the United States.

In 12 pay-per-view fights, he has generated 6.25 million buys and $320 million in revenue. The bulk of the total has come from his last four fights: Clottey, Miguel Cotto (1.2 million buys), Ricky Hatton (800,000 buys) and Oscar De La Hoya (1.25 million buys).

 

excellent numbers for a clottey fight. pacquiao truly is a mega star

 

That's how the roll round here.....Pac got paid...and the guns fall silent.

I hope Pac doesn't spend it all in the same health shop.....opcorn:opcorn:

 

clottey was the main draw here, y'all know it

 

That really is an exceptional number.

Of course Pacquiao needed Mayweather to make all that lovely money everyone was so concerned he was losing out on by not bowing to Floyd's attempt to play 'Billy big balls', didn't he?

MTF :laughing:

 

Since you are basing your assumption that it did on Arum, I'm not so sure you weren't right in the first place. Edit: I see 700,000 listed above. So Arum was telling the truth that day. Apparently. Anyway, this fight benefited from there being no recent ppv's and it benefited from Pacq being a big star.

This is a 50/50 fight. The parties knew it and agreed right away. Which is a small miracle. The fact that it blew up because of a thimble-full of blood 14 days before the fight is a big miracle. Unless someone had something to hide.

 

Good numbers, not amazing. Pretty much what you'd expect from a fight against an absolute non-attraction.

 

Who did as good a job, IMHO, on Judah as Floyd did.:crafty:

 

as little as clottey brought to the table promotionally, and considering the effort he gave it is astonishing that he probably ended up making 2 to 3 million dollars after his ppv upside kicked in past 320,000 buys

 

No Different that Floyd "Needing" Pac to Do 1 MILLION PPV's, which he "Miraculously" Achieved vs. Marquez...The SAME Guy Pac Did LESS than HALF that Amount Against, F.Y.I....MORESO, 700,000 Sales Only STRENGTHENS the FACT that Cotto CLEARLY INFLUENCED the Sales of Pac-Cotto MORE than Pac Fans Want to Acknowledge...

By HIMSELF, Cotto ADDED Half a MILLION PPV Sales, Basically...



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