I'm talking about the fact that he didn't break his arm on those submissions. That irks me greatly...
one of my friend who's big in BJJ told me he didn't have it, and it looked better ( for GSP ) than it really was
Now, I guess GSP fans are gonna say Hardy was a tough mf and showed mad hearth in lasting the distance while completely ignoring he took pretty much no punishement
Exactly. I am a fan of GSP but the entire 5 rounds was excruciating because he wasn't inflicting any damage or even making that many submission attempts. It wasn't because Hardy "was made of rubber" either like the BS the commentators tried to sell. Hardy should have been stopped in the 1st. GSP had PLENTY of opportunity and had even more as the rounds went on. I am still disappointed.
I like Hardy, but one of my friend asked me before the fight what were his strenght. A red mohawk and some cool tats was my answer. Let's get real, he was barely top 10 and several level below GSP, and his performance was disgusting tonight, it's a shame how so many people praise him after thise, he didn't even try to win the fight. GSP should have made a show out of him but was more than happy to win in safe monotonomous fashion. Again
I really thought Hardy would go for broke and at least attack GSP while standing. He didn't. He sat back waiting and was taken down everytime. After the 175 shoot and take down I figured Hardy might just start pushing forward and throwing. Oh well. The bottom line is that he has zero take down defense and fought one of the very best at getting take downs. I thought the card was entertaining overall. I personally loved the back and forth BJJ battle between Miller and Boecek.
Lol I agree. It kinda reminded of Kongo vs. Velasquez. But at least Kongo caught Velasquez multiple times standing. Hardy couldn't do shit.
he didnt really have the armbar, but he did have the kimura. that was ugly, cant believe he didnt tap. tonight the boxing was much better though. pretty boring card.
Really, I tought it was a bad card overall Fitch Saunders was boring Didn't pay a lot of attention to bocek Miller, cause I don't care for either guy The pellegrino fight was decent, but here also , I didn't care too much for either guy Mir Carwin was too short to be fun And the GSP fight was, well, a typical GSP fight. The neanderthalian and the geek slugging it out in the closing fight was fun, but they didn't show much technique
Hardy is garbage. He didn't do anything of note. He didn't even go after GSP like Serra was teaching him to. GSP was disappointing in many ways.:bangh:
REED Actually Found the Card Pretty Entertaining for the Most Part...The Bocek-Miller Bout was a Good Scrap & Evenly Matched...N Fact, REED Would've had No Problem w/it Being Ruled a DRAW... The Pelligrino Fight was EXCELLENT...Early in the 1st, it Looked like Pelligrino was Gonna Get Stopped, then he FLIPPED the Dude on his Head as he was Attempting a Rear Naked Choke...That 1 Move COMPLETELY Altered the Momentum & Lead to Pelligrino Eventually Winning... REED Loooooooooves Ben Saunders, but he Got MANHANDLED & OUTCLASSED Last Night...Fitch Did WHATEVER He Wanted w/Saunders & was on the Verge of STOPPING him Late in the 3rd...Ballsy Move by Saunders, Accepting the Fight on Short Notice, but it Bit him in the Ass... What Can U Say about Carwin vs. Mir Except WOW!!!???...This Dude is a TRUE PUNCHER, MMA or Otherwise...No One's EVER Hit Brock Lesnar the Way Carwin Will & REED Can't Wait for that Fight...Still, Lesnar DWARFED Carwin when they Shared Center Cage...As Others have Said, the Stoppage was Ridiculously LATE...Mir Took 5-10 MORE HeadShots than he Needed to... Sadly, GSP FUELED the "GSP is Boring" Faction, but it WASN'T Entirely his Fault...Hardy TALKED a Good Game & Exhibited True TOUGHNESS, but @ No Point did he Appear to B Actually Trying to WIN the Fight...GSP is Becoming a Bit Toooooooooooo RELIANT on Takedowns & Groundwork, but it's INACCURATE to Lable his Tactics "Lay & Pray"...He WAS Working on the Ground... But Even the GSP Critics had to LOVE the Disappointment he Showed in HIMSELF & the APOLOGY he Gave to the Fans in Attendance... REED:hammert:
Dude, you ain't lying. That head slammed fucked him up big time. He was completely done after that. And honestly I thought Mir-Carwin was great. It was short but the tension reminded me of early Tyson fights where you were just wondering how long until the big shot ended things.
Pelligrino Should've Gotten a "Best MOVE of the Night" BONUS for that Shit...The Other Dude Fought On, but like U Said, he was DONE... REED:hammert:
What GSP needs is someone at 170 who can really challenge him, but that doesn't seem likely in the forseeable future. It's looking more likely that a move to 185 will have to happen, although I don't see GSP wanting to do that, or being as effective at that higher weight. The problem is, GSP's takedowns and wrestling are so much better than everyone else's at 170, it doesn't matter much that his stand up and submission games aren't as strong. He doesn't need them to win. His skills may not be exciting to most, but they are just at a level nobody else at 170 can touch. As for future opponants....does anyone think that any of the UFC fighters GSP has already beaten...Koshcheck, Fitch, Alves, etc, etc, have any better of a chance in a rematch then they did in their first shot? But who else is out there? Daley is strong standing but absolutely clueless on the ground. Kampmann just lost to Daley. Who else is left? Maybe Almeida? TFK
You know,Reed said it before, but GSP isn't boring. It's just that his recent fights are so one-sided that they lack drama. Personally I think it's amazing to watch a guy that has such control over where the fight takes place and at what pace. He really is on another level than other 170 pounders. I think Almeida looked great at 170 last night against a usually tough Matt Brown. With another quality win at WW, Almeida might earn a shot. I will throw out a guy that I really like to eventually move up in the rankings at 170. Johnny Hendricks has the wrestling background to potentially give GSP a run for his money if GSP hangs around the WW division for another year or so. Other than that, the rematches don't excite me much. If they go that route, I would love to see Fitch-Koscheck to see who gets the shot.
Yep... Joe Rogan ASKED GSP about Moving Up, During the Prelim Show...GSP Smiled & then Basically Said he Liked where he was @...But the Smile SUGGESTED that Dana White is ALREADY Talking to him about Making the Move... ULTIMATELY, its Gonna have to Come Down to that...There's just NATHAN @ 170 that Can Touch GSP Right Now...Shit, Fitch would Likely B a DOMINANT Champ @ 170 Himself, yet GSP Dominated Him... Rematches of 1-Sided Losses R TOUGH To Sell...If GSP Moves Up to 185, that Means BJ Can Move Up to 170, which is in the UFC's Best Interests, in REED's Opinion... REED:hammert:
Barely. He was relatively content to just keep Hardy down there, he was doing a bit here and there, but at no point was he really trying to inflict any damage. It was domination at it's most absolute boring. I agree that Hardy showed toughness, but didn't really go all out to win, or even really, um, halfway to win :: GSP's takedowns are a thing of beauty, the effortless ease that he can just put a guy on the mat in half a second is incredible, but that's really all he does now, and pin the guy down. As I said before, it's essentially elite lay and pray.
So I guess trying to snap Hardys arm on a couple different occasions qualifies as "not trying to inflict any damage"
I agree. His control is much better than most lay and prayers, and unlike the Guidas and the like who simply throw body punches from guard, eventually inciting a stand up, GSP constantly transitions and does a couple of sub attempts.
GSP should of never let it go to the cards. EDIT:But credit should be given to Hardy though.He showed good defense on the ground.
