Haye vs Ruiz Preview by Chris Baldwin

Claude Abrams for Boxing News had Haye winning by SEVEN points in Nuremburg. And he's about as on the level as you can ask for...

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Is "Irish 2002/2003" Gaelic for "talking out of your ass"??

 

Greg Page, too. It was frustrating to see him come into the ring out of shape and still have those quick hands. It always made me wonder how good he could have been if he had dedicated himself more to his career. Oh, crap...now I sound like a Judah or Benitez fan. :: Not that I was a Page fan, but it was a shame to see a promsing career go to waste.

 

Yes, indeed. Except, apparently, for those with a certain agenda.

 

:cheer::cheer::cheer::shit:

 

Wow. That's ALMOST a response. ::

 

I am considering taking a ride on the Haye Bandwagon since he has apparently saved us from ever having to watch Ruiz in any sort of title fight.

But, of course, that will change if Haye actually does fight the prehistoric former Middle champ Hopkins. The heavies blow right now, but I'd still rather see Haye fight what passes for a top ten contender these days than fight Hopkins.

 

Well, never put down to malice that which can be accounted for by stupidity......Abrams has that one badly wrong. I have no problem with a Haye win. But a 7 round win is 9-2-1 in rounds and that is just plain wrong. Even if you wanted to make the argument that Haye won by 7 points, there is no way you could go so far as to say that he "walked it"....Valuev was very comfortable at the end of the 11th and that is usually as good an indication of anything.

Oh, how I long for the days when even people as thick as Colin Hart could see that Lewis-Holyfield I was not the daylight robbery people thought it was.

 

I re-read this thread, now that I'm on a pc that aint being run by a fucken redback on a bicycle cog, and it seems, despite reading press releases that Haye dominated and knocked him down multiple times, alot of people don't seem very impressed?.. What's the go?.. what 'really' happenned you witchety grub? :dunno:

 

watched this fight today and wow, haye is a habitual rabbit puncher. he whupped ruiz, but 3 of the 4 knockdowns were from blatant punches behind the head. not cool.

 

This is what really happened. After the fight I came home (watched it in the pub with a lot of friends) and read through this thread. Frankly, I was unsure that I had watched the same fight. It was most confusing...

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I read that Haye could be fighting Hopkins next? Is this just a rumor that will go nowhere?

 

I think Hopkins mentioned Haye after the RJJ shambles and it has been mentioned in the past.

That fight woud be a joke and if Haye is considering it, he shouldn't be.

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I doubt it will happen, no chance. Little reward for Haye. A fight with Wlad is going to happen. Don't want to be hearing excuses from Haye, he has to go for it now, his big chance.

 

MTF....you are not being fair. After 2 rounds it was obvious to me that David had not addressed several areas of his game, viz. rabbit punching, hands down, sloppy finishing, getting tired early.

By the time Ruiz had not only successfully negotiated but maybe even won the 2nd round I figured this one was going beyond the half way mark.

Haye demonstrated very little in the line of improvement. He has not improved. That's a key consideration. His chance of beating either K-brother is as low as it has ever been. Yet the fucking hype was flowing 90, baby.

He drops his hands. He cheats. He winds...so easily. His stamina is worse now than it was when Wlad Klitschko was hitting Mercer for 6 rounds. He gets sloppy. On one rare occassion, Ruiz had his hands up, and Haye leapt in with a sloppy left uppercut, going "plfffuurrghhhhh" as he did, and the commentators were gushing. Gushing over a tired, sloppy punch. In the 5th round.

There was a tonne of flaws on display, assuming of course, the day-trippers could see past the knockdowns of a slow, jaded and very limited John Ruiz.

 

He had his chance of a fight with Wlad and blew it. Not only did he not fight him, he then went on TV and tried to take the mickey out of Wladimirs performance against an unbeaten former world-amateur champ in a fight that was arranged on 2 weeks notice. I mean, I am beginning to wonder if the lad is all there. :notallthere:

 

I was being perfectly fair. Haye won. He scored four knockdowns. Ruiz's corner threw in the towel.

Where did I say he had improved? Where have I said his stamina has improved or that he wasn't winded?

Haye has always had terrible stamina. That has been evident for as long as Haye has been boxing.

But that doesn't detract from the FACT that Haye stopped his opponent and now has two wins over top ten ranked HW's in his first two major fights at the weight.

You are just looking for reasons to pick at him, because you think he is a cunt. You are blinded by the fact that you don't like Haye and (understandably) don't like the SKY hype. Who does? It's no more or no less than normal- sickmaking.

It is YOU who is being unfair, not me.

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I dont think Haye is a "cunt". I do think he is a whore. He whored himself to the BBC, he whored himself to Setanta, and now he is whoring himself to SKY.

I never said you said Haye had improved.

2 wins over top 10 heavyweights...well, what can I say, it is a weak division.::

If he fights and beats Povetkin...then I will give him credit. But you just know it will never happen.

 

Apparently, the Klitschkos are now "hiding" from Haye.

I'm sorry, but who pulled out of the 65,000 seater affair in Germany?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/apr/05/david-haye-boxing-klitschko

 

George Groves the best young fighter in the country? Fucking hell :: ::

 

Haye-Ruiz highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p64VV_yIII

 

:bears:

 

Haye's stamina has improved....not that it is no longer a weakness, but there was more power in his punches than say by the mid-rounds of the Fragomeni fight.

Irish....you can moan all you want....national-bias in the press and amongst fans towards homegrown boxers/sportsmen has been around as long as sport itself. People who know this learn to take things with a pinch of salt. You have gone 180 degrees the other way with your counter-hyperbole.

 

I have no problem with bias. What I have a problem with is a bollock naked emperor being complimented on his shirt and tie combo.

 

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It's true....if Sky stood up and said..."David has fast hands and some pop, but he has shite stamina. We like him, but he is an open book for big fast hitters"...then I would say, that's fair enough.

It's this: "Klitschko is running/hiding.....David looks a million dollars, David is sublime, David has muscles in his piss" routine that gets on my nerves...and they are saying this shit while Haye heaves and puffs on his stool.:doh::doh:

 

Its Hayes first step that is fast. His hands are fast too but his first step is how he closes the gap and appears so much faster than his opponents.

 

I dont disagree. Haye has that aspect of his game down, it is an old amateur lesson. Step in, hit, step out. Here is Sergei Lyakhovich old trainer, Kenny Weldon, demonstrating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rsQd1dPUY&feature=related

During the Zab Judah vs Kostya Tszyu fight, the question was asked, how do you fight a guy who keeps changing the range. Bobby Czyz opined that the only way to do this was to keep working.

This is why I always was so vehemently opposed to what Haye says. He belittles Klitschko for using the jab and holding. Yet, IMHO, those are the very tooks WK will use to defeat Haye. Haye needs to bust past the jab, and if he does, the hook will be there waiting for him. Even if Wlad cannot time him, it is likely Klitschko will fall into a clinch, and put that massive frame down on David, who tires badly as it is.