It seems Margarito didn't have his gloves loaded for the Cotto fight

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  1. Azazel

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    This means nothing, his gloves could have just as easily been loaded as they were for the Mosley fight.
     
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    Yeah, the old blood-stain on the wrap is pretty hard to ignore, and I doubt he used it for sparring,.. he'd have used it for the big occassion.

    Gotta feel sorry for Cotto,.. a two time victim of disgusting cheats.
     
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    Apart from one is a proven cheat, and one isn't ;)

    Plus, taking PEDs isn't even close to loading your gloves with cement.
     
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    Fightbeat will be doing it all over again when Fraud outpoints Mosely, so some little sparring sessions, quick little tune ups is healthy,... time for us all to take our cutting edge chemicals and cycle them all out again before fight time.
     
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    PBF uses PEDs.
     
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    Did you administer them personally?
     
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    so since nevada provided the pads, that means margarito and his trainer didn't load the gloves?

    haha
     
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    where the hell did this 'inserted hardened knuckle pads' come from?

    I thought they were supposedly soft and wet with plaster material when wrapped?
     
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    "traces of plaster" allegedly
     
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    Indeed, perhaps the most retarded logic ever.
     
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    Indeed, it seems that most here thinks that he put rocks in his gloves or something like this. Not at all, he was caught because his wraps had wet plaster on it. But as the article said, Nevada provivded, on fight night, the wrap for the Cotto fight, so he couldn't have tampered it before hand as his trainer did for the Mosler fight
     
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    I would agree, but Margarito loaded his gloves with wet plaster, not cement. And I'd much rather face a guy with hardening plaster in his gloves than someon juiced on PED
     
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    It wasn't his hand wraps, it was the pads inside of them. ESPN aired footage from Margarito's hearing with the CSAC on FNF last year in which someone demonstrated how the pads had been concealed. The NSAC providing new tape and new gauze to Margarito still wouldn't have prevented a plaster smeared pad from being inserted inside of Tony's hand wraps.
     
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    OK this is a flat out lie. There is a Nazim Richardson interview in the Ring magazine a few months ago and it puts to bed all the plaster of paris theories and when it got hard and how long it takes to get hard. Here is a quote from the interview, from the magazine, from Nazim Richardson's mouth:

    " Trinidad was an abrasion against the rules. Margaritio downright had a weapon. There is a difference when you say you are playing chess and have your men lined up diferently, as opposed to having an extra man on the board. Margarito tried to bring extra men. He had an ACTUAL SQUARE BLOCK OF PLASTER OF PARIS in his knuckle pad. Margarito had a strip over the back of his hand, around his thumb and wrapped two or three times down to the wrist. They told me it was because of a previous injury was why they wrapped it that way. One look and you could tell it wasn't right.

    We went back and forth about that. Margaritio's coach said that he expected this out of me because of the Trinidad thing I guess. The original argument was about the tape being directly on the skin, where it's supposed to be guaze. they went and got one of the Comissioners, and they got the tape off and and asked that Margarito's people start wrapping Margarito's hand again. Margarito had the left hand done. I saw that but I noticed this pad on a table next to Margarito and when I picked it up to check it out, I noticed it was kinda hard. when I handed the knuckle pad over to the chief commisiioner, A BLOCK fell out. I couldn't believe it. I picked up the block. That when I wanted to approve the other hand. They had to take the wraps off the left hand and A BLOCK falls out of the padding of that hand too. I was sitting with these two blocks in my hand. The comission wants them, and I said no way. I told them I was going to give them to anyone but Shane Mosely's lawyer. I put the blocks in a box and handed them to Judd Bernstein"

    Okay there's the story, Margarito had loaded gloves, not gloves or wrappings that had the potential to go hard later in the fight after certain conditions take place, heat, moisture etc. No he had blocks in his wraps they were hard already. His hand was wrapped different to hide and compensate for the block.
     
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    i dont know richardson to say whether he is an honest and credible guy or not. but lets face it, the commission is moronic if they let him give these "blocks" to burstein. that right there allows for a possibility for the evidence to be tainted.
     
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    i think we have already all agreed that this is an incompetent commission. they allowed a boxer to almost walk in the ring with plaster blocks in his knuckle pads if not for the opposing cornerman catching them
     
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    I think this is the clearcut undisputable evidence we've all been waiting for.
     
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    It annoys me that boxing fans haven't read this and are still walking around apparently clueless, wondering "why do people think margarito loaded his gloves with a hardened block of plaster?" or "i thought it was just wet plaster remainders" or whatever horse shit people are still trying to spew here and elsewhere.

    read the interview. they still sell Ring magazine. you can accuse richardson of lying his ass off but its all there in black and white
     
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    If Richardson is lying, why would Margacheato have been suspended?
     
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    Richardson say this but all other sources say otherwise, you can believe in him as he's the savior but, no disrespecto to RIcahrdson, I'd rahter take the account of several unbiased sources over him. Even Mosley attorney describet it as wet pad

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/officials-found.html

    According to Judd Burstein, the attorney for Mosley, Margarito had wet pads in the wrapping. Mosley's doctor, Robert Olvera, likened the material to the type of plaster used to make casts.
     
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    The article specifically stated that Nevada provided the pad, on fight night, for the Cotto fight, so unless they managed to swap it with some previously tampered pad ( wich would be obvious incompetence for the Cotto camp and Neveda representatives to not notice ), his gloves weren't loaded ( or at least, not in the manner they were for the mosley fight )
     
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    Not to surprising that you have trouble grasping the sense of the word seems. Would have expected nothing less from you
     
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    The Pads were Wet @ the Time they were Discovered...By the Time the Fighters were in the Ring, the Wet Pads Would have HARDENED...Plaster is WET when it's 1st Applied...It HARDENS as it Dries...

    AGAIN, Margarito's Pads were Wet Because they were Discovered PRIOR to Hardening...It's NOT that Difficult to Grasp...



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    IMO his career is now tarnished - he gloves were loaded in every fight....
     
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    personally, i think Barry Bonds only took steroids for his 756th home run. never before that
     
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    and that's a fact.
     

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