1971 Joe Frazier vs. 1991 George Foreman!

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  1. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    This should garner some very interesting debate...just for good measure, we'll add the championship for spice. It's up for grabs in a twelve-rounder between these two.


    Thoughts?
     
  2. Pascals Wager

    Pascals Wager Undisputed Champion

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    Frazier 71 was a different version to the one George destroyed, & obviously George circa 91 was different.
    Also Frazier got tougher as a fight progressed
    However none of that is enough to overcome George's style advantages.
    Foreman by late TKO
     
  3. slystaff

    slystaff Im Banned

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    Frazier by decision
     
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    I dont know, man, I still think George could get him out of there
     
  5. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I'm going with Frazier to stop Foreman on the stool as the bell sounds for round twelve.
     
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    Frazier UD 12.
     
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    LOK I'll eat your asshole alive

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    i don't care if George is 65 and in an old folkes home and Frazier is 22 and taking PEDs

    Big George demolishes him
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I disagree with that. If there was a difference, it was not a drastic one. However I agree with your pick. Styles are just so much in favor of George that he takes it
     
  9. Trplsec

    Trplsec Sleeps in a Cage

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    George is always going to hit hard and Frazier is always going get hit by sweeping punches and uppercuts.

    George probably wins just as easily as he did.
     
  10. slystaff

    slystaff Im Banned

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    I don't know how anyone can pick the much slower fat Foreman of 1991 over Frazier.

    It wasn't just the size and power of young Foreman that was too much for Frazier, it was also his intensity. He merely overwhelmed Frazier with power, intensity and agression. The more patient much slower version doesn't hit Frazier as much and Joe outworks him.
     
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    Agreed.
     
  12. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Uh-huh. Foreman used his under-rated quickness of assault & high-output to cripple Frazier's chances of recovery once he had him hurt.

    Those are qualities which are firmly gone by the time he reached age forty-two. Foreman had plenty of size & raw strength, a huge punch (but no longer the ability to really put rallies of heavy artillery together), a great chin, &, finally, excellent composure during the height of his comeback. He would make life difficult for Frazier, inside-&-out. The killer instinct & volume punching were largely eroded, though, & I think, as much as anything, that's the difference here.

    Foreman was one tough nut alright, but he'd be hanging on against Frazier's bodyassault & insane work-rate in rounds nine, ten, eleven. I think his corner make a merciful call before the final stanza. The early rounds, though, would be most interesting --- while Foreman was still fresh & untouched by Frazier's bodyattack, his battering jab & overall strength would have Frazier working hard.
     
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    The difference in age is enough to negate the truly horrible style problems Frazier faced in George.

    A 1971 Frazier gives ANY HW in history plenty to think about. And that version of Joe is too much for a very, very shopworn Foreman. Of that I have no doubt.

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  14. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I wonder where the '91 Foreman would rank amongst Frazier's best opposition during his actual career, from '65-76? Perhaps a notch below Quarry & Bonavena (perhaps not), but above most of the rest.
     
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    I'd rank '91 Foreman over Quarry and Bonavena.
     
  16. Pascals Wager

    Pascals Wager Undisputed Champion

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    I think they would both dec 91 George..Styles
     
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    Pascals Wager Undisputed Champion

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    Maybe it was down to the different opponents, but 71 Frazier looked amazing against Ali.
     

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