Why do people defend Floyd ?

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Pac & Floyd are both welterweights. Who's bigger is irrelevant; p4p is a way of comparing fighters relative to their weight class, if Pac wants to take advantage of his smaller size he should move down. Mosley is a better opponent than Clottey and about as good as Cotto. If Floyd puts on a clinic he'll be back in contention, though personally I'll still have Pac No.1 for the same reasons as you!

 

The thing is Mosley is OLD and at that age you could get super shot overnight never mind over a year a year and a half. Just cuz Mosley looked good in the Margarito fight doesn't mean that same Mosley from a year and a half ago still exists.

 

Yup, which again is why so much of this is dependent on how Shane looks in terms of his ability to pull the trigger, balance and punch resistance. If those are intact Floyd will get a fair amount of credit from me.:kidcool:

 

This is a thread about why people defend Floyd. The answer to that question is....IRRATIONAL BIASED BEHAVIOUR.

Kellerman is....IRRATIONAL. You cannot square his thoughts in a fashion which even approaches satisfactory.

The love of Floyd is based off the IRRATIONAL need to deify a man who has managed to avoid fighting the best fighters of his era at THEIR best weights and in their primes.

The fact that he will end his career without having faced Cotto, Margarito, Kostya Tszyu, Paul Williams etc is proof enough that any deification of Mayweather MUST be based on irrational thought.

It is not even that he has avoided those fights.....but being built up for a win over JMM? Or a razor thin decision over a part-timer like Oscar? Please. He faced a FRACTION of the risk in those fights that Wlad did versus guys like Peter, Chagaev.



And calling people "Aryan"....does not an argument make. Lame.

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+1

Unfortunately, there is no speaking to people around here.

 

Well you are an Aryan,.. an Aryan and proud,.. :crafty: how dare you.

 

Hurry up and keep up with the silly threads as much as you can because come May 1st Mayweather is boxing Mosley's nose off.

Fact is, come May 1st Mayweather will have consecutive wins over De la Hoya, Hatton, Marquez and Mosley. Any other fighter right now with those wins would be praised non stop but Mayweather gets no love at all from 99.96% people, which is understandable considering what an unpleasent person he is and how much trash he talks.

 

But then again, he's gonna be there against the most elusive wizard we've had in a long time. I don't expect him to impress with his ability to pull the trigger and his balance no matter what. If he gets hurt by silly shots then I reckon I would take it as a sign. ::

Mosley will be Mosley, he's a training freak and has kept himself in excellent shape. He hasn't been in any wars lately, no way he's gonna be shot come fight night. Say what you want about Margarito's handwraps but the dude is very dangerous, hell he KO'ed Martinez who everyone is praising now... And Mosley just tore him apart. Shot fighters don't do that, not even close.

 

I will occasionally defend him against some of his more extreme critics, but, as a former follower of Mayweather, I know I ran out of reasons to defend him against the more reasoned nay-sayers some time ago.

I do think people are far too trigger-happy in glossing over the first-half of his career & what he accomplished, & I also believe people rallying against him under-rate the quality of his, "cherry-picking" victories of recent seasons, but I also ackowledge, at the same time, that they are only so willing to do so because Mayweather has earned their ire.

He made his bed, & deserves to lie in it. He's a HOF-lock, but I think the ship has sailed in regards to him fulfilling his true potential, & that's been a conscious decision on Mayweather's part for some time.

Greatness won't elude him, but he could have been more in the end.

 

This is open to debate, but I also think contributing factors toward Margarito's decimation were the psychological blow of being found out on such a large stage immediately before the fight, & a weight-drain factor which is rarely discussed, yet did play a part, IMO.

 

De La Hoya - shot part-time inactive boxer already semi-retired and still took Fraudweather to a Split Decision with Fraudweather's old man believing Oscar deserved to win as did many others.

Hatton - moved up to 147 to fight Fraudweather. A weightclass in which Hatton had no ability to compete at after escaping with his life against Collazzo during his last venture there.

Marquez - moved up 2 weight classes to fight Fraudweather. And Fraudweather still came in above the agreed catch-weight limit, having every single physical advantage against little Marquez who, like Hatton, was not comfortable at such a weight class.

Sorry V10, your boy Fraud will be remembered as a handpicking chump who ducked real competition when the competition were in their primes.
Prime Oscar would've eaten Fraudweather for lunch!

 

Well Sr, this 3 are on Pacquiao's last 5 fights as well aren't they?

Pacquiao's win over Cotto and Clottey are good but considering that Floyd shut down the guy that has won more rounds in their 2 fights and is about to beat the real champ at 147 in Mosley what does it say about it all? That you can trash any fighter's resume.

You've picked against Floyd for the last 5-6 fights if I'm not wrong. You pick Mosley to destroy him yet Floyd will beat him and you will work that limited, 1 dimensional little mind of yours into a moral defeat for Floyd, aren't ya? So why bother giving you a serious reply when you're just trolling like always.

 

Floyd has beaten everyone in his path, his resume speaks for itself. 6 weight classes champ, multiple titles. P4P number one for years. His skill level is far beyond most that ever stepped in the ring.

 

Yes or No, did Hatton not move up out of his best weightclass to fight Fraudweather? A weightclass which Hatton had shown previously that he could not compete in.
Yes or No, did Marquez not move up completely out of his best weight class to fight Fraudweather who in turn did not meet the contracted weight, hence carrying an enormous size advantage?
Yes or No, did Fraudweather talk an enormous amount of crap along with his fans about just how easily he was going to defeat a shot inactive Oscar only to end up looking like a B level chump who barely got by shot Oscar with a Split Decision in a fight filled with boos?
Answer those and then we can debate. Taking shots at Pacman in an effort to defend your hero Fraudweather isn't the way to win this argument, V10.

 

P4P is open for opinion and is completely meaningless. 6 weight class champ while having beaten an unremarkable list of competition. Belts don't mean anything. It's about who you beat to win those trinkets.
His skill level at best is about the level of a shot Oscar De La Hoya and he couldn't even convincingly beat a shot Oscar.
Fraudweather is catching fighters at their tail end. Not a resume of a legend.

 

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I agree but it's a dangerous assumption to assume he doesn't exist. At Mosley's age, fighting a lot probably isn't a great idea anyway. And let's face it, no one was willing to fight him after he beat Margarito except Paul Williams. That includes the current pound for pound king who, by the way, is picking Shane to win.

 

Say what you want but that doesn't change the fact that he's accomplished what few can dream of in the sport. He's always beaten the best, even when people doubted him. 40-0 speaks for itself.

 

He cannot beat the best unless he first fights them, and at their best.

 

that's the problem !!! 40-0 does NOT speak for itself !!! that's the whole fucking point !!!

 

Exactly. Even when he fought the "best" he made sure they could not be at their best, with his dictation of terms, referee, weight etc.

 

Ah....hope is not lost!

 

Oh, Floyd HAS beaten everyone in his path.

His meandering little path......that meandered AROUND Cotto, AROUND Margarito, AROUND prime Shane, AROUND Winky, Around Paul Williams....Around Pac....:atu::laughing:

 

I can play that same game with many fighters in history. i could do that with Ray Leonard for example. (Curry, Pryor, Benn, Nunn, Eubank, Toney)

Floyd fought the right fighters at the right time. Cotto wasn't available to him when he was ready for cotto. Margarito was irrelevant when Floyd just moved up to Welterweight. Winky? Please. Why shoudl Floyd have moved up to Middleweight?

 

Oh, Winky was a hard and cast 160lbr when he fought Shane? And what weight was Winky not able to make when Floyd was fighting part-timer ODLH? A guy who has ONE stoppage at light middle....:laughing:

 

hero worship ??? race complex ??? ignorance ??6 whatever it is, PBF resume over 135lbs leave a lot to be desired.

 

You saying that Floyd should have fought Winky instead of fighting De La Hoya?

Which fighter IN HISTORY would have chosen to fight Winky over "cashcow" De la Hoya?

You're not being realistic and this is the problem with all Floyd haters...

 

Many fighters would be proud of having these names on their "above 135lbs" resume:

• Hatton
• Judah
• De La Hoya
• Mosley
• Undisputed linear and True Welterweight champion (doesn't matter what his name was :nono:)