Mayweather vs...... Mosley vs......

Mayweather vs Winky Wright
Mayweather vs Vernon Forrest
Mayweather vs the two versions of Oscar Shane fought

Mosley vs Castillo @ Lightweight
Prime Mosley vs Hatton @welterweight
32 y/o Mosley vs Marquez @ welterweight
Prime Mosley vs Gatti @ 140
Prime Mosley vs Judah

Yeah this thread is divisive/'agenda driven', I make no attempts to hide it. How do these fights look? And what does it say about how these two guys careers should be measured?

 

FWIW, my picks:

Mayweather vs Winky Wright (Wright UD)
Mayweather vs Vernon Forrest (Forrest SD)
Mayweather vs the two versions of Oscar Shane fought (Oscar I, Oscar SD, Oscar II, Oscar SD)
Mayweather vs prime Cotto (Mayweather UD)

Mosley vs Castillo @ Lightweight (Mosley UD)
Prime Mosley vs Hatton @welterweight (Mosley KO5)
32 y/o Mosley vs Marquez @ welterweight (MOsley TKO 6)
Prime Mosley vs Gatti @ 140 (Mosley KO5)
Prime Mosley vs Judah (Mosley TKO 10)

In other words I honestly don't think Mayweather does better in any match up other than against Cotto who eeked Mosley out when when he was 36. Something to think about, IMO!

 

I agree. Mosley wins all of the match-ups you indicated, and PBF loses almost all of them. I'm not so sure he beats Cotto. He probably would, but remember that he doesn't have anything close to the offense of Pacquiao or a glove-loaded Margarito.

Cotto has a way of willing himself to victory when he can't be hurt.

 

I respect that honesty.

Anyway here are my picks.

Mayweather vs Winky Wright (Mayweather UD)
Mayweather vs Vernon Forrest (Mawweather UD)
Mayweather vs the two versions of Oscar Shane fought (1st fight, mayweather UD WITHOUT ANY DOUBT AT ALL...Oscar had no gameplan that night and was just stalkign and looking for KO...the equals a Mayweather potshot clinic........................2nd fight, Mayweather SD)

Mosley vs Castillo @ Lightweight (Mosley UD)
Prime Mosley vs Hatton @welterweight (Mosley KO 10)
32 y/o Mosley vs Marquez @ welterweight (Mosley late KO)
Prime Mosley vs Gatti @ 140 (Mosley TKO 6)
Prime Mosley vs Judah (Mosley Late KO...as Floyd would have got if Judah didn't foul him)

 

Winky is to fuckin big for Floyd you jackass.

 

good thread....

Mosley beats everybody on that list...with no problem at all...

Mayweather? He gets fucked up by everyone in that list...he might have a chance vs. the DLH of the Mosley rematch....Winky smashes him...

 

His style and mediorcre punch..as well as teh fact that he's only 5'10" makes his "SIZE" irrelevant in this stylistic matchup.

Floyd will move and jab and potshot and winky will stalk behind a high guard.

hardly anyone will land any leather...but Floyd will score more because hitting gloves stills looks better than hitting AIR!!!

Floyd haters can say what the fuck they want...I don't give a shit...Floyd would decision winky.

 

Sly.... I want whatever you smoke.

 

Dude I'm right and whoever disagrees with me is wrong...on this issue.

Floyd can beat anyone that Shane can beat...simply because Floyd is better in nearly every way than Shane...and Shane isn't really much bigger.

Vernon Forrest beats Shane (was a big underdog going into teh first fight mind you)...loses twice to mayorga...but yet beats Mayweather. Ridiculous.

People only say that Forrest beats mayweather because Forrest beat Mosley. I mean think about it....that's asinine. Mayweather decisions Forrest..no doubt. too elusive to msart too fast. Forrest's height and rnage gives him probems for sure..but Mayweather's elusiveness and speed gives Vernon MORE problems.

 

NO chance....

Winky mediocre punch? Do you mean output or punching power? Regardless Winky will be all over Floyd Mayweather, it will be FLOYD with his back to the ropes trying to shoulder roll....

Winky by UD..

 

Winky is a stalker. He'll be stalking Floyd and Floyd will be moving and jabbing. think abotu it. Think about their styles FOR ONE SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Winky stalking behind a high guard and floyd moving and jabbing (occasionally to teh body) and postshotting. That's teh pattern of teh fight. Since when does Floyd just stay in a corner the entire fight waiting to shoulder roll?

 

Winky is a stalker but also a counter punching stalker. That's a subtlety people miss about his style. He isn't an instigator coming forward like say Margirito or Castillo, he reacts off openings. That may help or hurt him against Floyd, I would have to watch tapes and think about it. But I think like he proved just a little too BIG & strong for Shane the same would apply against Floyd.

The Forrest fight could go either way. I honestly think Floyd would straight up struggle with his shear height just like Shane did.

And re: Oscar and his style in the first Mosley fight - he fought the EXACT same way against Floyd and nearly won. Except against Mosley the first time he was 7 years younger, faster and quicker on the trigger. Give me Oscar and point me in the direction of the mythical bookies I can wager on it. :: The Oscar of 2003......I say Oscar squeaks out a split decision. A draw wouldn't be out the question, nor would another razor thin Floyd decision. That ones a 50/50 fight.

I suppose my agenda in this is my old tired one - the number in the L column is NEVER the whole story. And sometimes it's just freakin' irrelevant and misleading. Thanks for your picks and perpsectives, anyway, they're always interesting, Sly.

 

Floyd isn't always fighting to dominate. Sometimes he fights to win. Honestly...the reason why most people were critical of Floyd in that Oscar fight was because it was apparent that he could have done more but just didn't. I feel that Floyd could have won that fight more easily than he did. He seemed to do just enough in order to win. I don't believe a "younger" Oscar fares any better....Floyd would have just stepped it up a bit more to ensure the win in that case. Of course this is my opinion...and you are entitled to yours.

Onto Wright.

Winky proved too big for Shane simply because Shane is more of a slugger. But Winky's size wouldn't be that important against Floyd because Floyd is a mover potshotter (when he wants to be) and Winky isn't THAt tall and neither is he THAT powerful or fast.

Forrest fight could go either way...i agree...but vernon's height and reach would be nullified by Floyd movement and elusiveness. Vernon wouldn't beat Floyd as easily as he had betaen Shane if indeed he does beat him. I think Floyd by close decision. It'll be close either way.

 

Mayweather vs Winky Wright - Wright by decision
Mayweather vs Vernon Forrest - Forrest by Decision
Mayweather vs the two versions of Oscar Shane fought - First fight DLH via decision, Second Fight DLH by decision
Mayweather vs prime Cotto - Mayweather by Decision

Mosley vs Castillo @ Lightweight - Mosley by decision
Prime Mosley vs Hatton @welterweight - Mosley TKO 6
32 y/o Mosley vs Marquez @ welterweight - MOsley TKO 4
Prime Mosley vs Gatti @ 140 Mosley TKO 5
Prime Mosley vs Judah - Mosley TKO 8

 

Gotta love Mythical matchups though. No way of proving anyone wrong. No crow to be had.

::

 

Fair point.

 

Outside of Cotto, who I think Mayweather outboxes beautifully... I wouldnt favor him in any of those, ESPECIALLY Wright... terrible matchup for him

I was never sold on Vernon (RIP) ... I think he was a good fighter with a better fighter's number... but Floyd is a far better boxer than Mosley was... he'd make Vernon chase him and I dont think Vernon was good at that... I think its pOSSIBLE Floyd wins that one

But the rest? let me know when Floyd defeats a real true welterweight who isnt 39 and 10 years past his best

 

I'm not holding my breath on that one.

 

Name me a better fighter at 147 right now not named Mosley (Besides Pacquiao, who's not a "real welterweight" himself)

Would people really give Floyd more credit for fighting Cintron or Margarito instead of Mosley?

 

What about DLH-Pacquiao.

DLH vs Marquez at 130. DLH KO5.
DLH vs Hatton at 140. DLH TKO3.
DLH (30 years old) vs Cotto. DLH UD 12.
DLH vs Clottey. DLH UD 12.

Pacquiao vs Quartey at 147. Quartey UD12.
Pacquiao vs Young SSM at 147. Mosley TKO11.
Pacquiao vs Young Tito at 147. Pacquiao SD12.
Pacquiao vs Hopkins at 160. Hopkins KO7.
Pacquiao vs Floyd at 154. Floyd UD12.

Therefore I know declare DLH a top 5 all time fighter, ahead of Pacquiao. Or maybe we realize mythical means shit and this fighters are of different size and had different careers that can't be compared just like this.

 

Nice try but Mayweather conveniently "retired" and let the all top Welters beat each other up (but it's all good because Floyd would have beaten them all anyway and therefore there was no reason ACTUALLY fight them, right??) before "making his comeback" at 147 against a featherweight and now is fighting a 39 year old fighter who hasn't fought in over a year.

 

In fairness Mosley's the best fighter available. Lets see what he does with the rest of his career. But as of now though I don't see much reason to rank him over Mosley historically, and certainly not higher than Oscar since there isn't anyone Floyd's beat that I wouldn't pick a prime Oscar or Shane to beat just as, or more, easily. So he hasn't done a single thing to prove himself better than either. Not a single thing.

 

What Pacquiao opponent would you pick to beat a prime DLH-Mosley?

 

So everybody beat each other up in the year and half Floyd retired now? I don't know why you're sticking me this "Why fight em' when Floyd would've beaten them anyway" tag, I've never said such a thing. But here he is fighting the best possible thread at 147 not named Pacquiao and still gets shit on. It's really subtle too, with comments like well it's an ok fight but Mosley is really old and may be shot and blah blah blah. He tried to make the Pacquiao fight but needlephobia got in the way, made the best possible fight at 147 after that, nothing wrong with that. Sure is a great start to have a nice ending on his career if he follows through.

 

Nothing "convenient" about it. Who are you to question the motives of a fighter's retirement. Perhaps Mayweather needed a break to get back his motivation. He certainly didn't look too motivated in his fights against Baldomir or Oscar. Did Hagler conveniently retire instead of waiting to fight Nunn or some of the other guys?

This is basically a witch hunt. Y'all don't like Floyd and so you'll spin every situation in his career to a talking point about how he's a ducker or whatever.

Mosley is the best challenge at the moment outside of pacquiao (and he tried for Pacquiao too). Margarito and Cotto weren't relevant pre-de la hoya regardless of your attempt to revise history.

 

Yeah Mayweather took on all the EASY fights....Judah, Bumdomir, Mitchell, DLH, and Hatton....suddenly when it came down to face Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Williams, Clottey, Cintron....HE RETIRED....and only comes back when they have all defeated each other....

Cotto beat Mosley.
Margarito beat Cotto..
Mosley beat Margarito...


yeah he wasn't motivated........he can't get motivated for tough fights since the Castillo fights..

 

Pacs about 2-3 divisions naturally smaller than either yet he's beating opponents probably more impressively than I'd expect either to. Mayweather is marginally smaller but has fought across pretty much the same divisions as both.

1) Pac> 2a)Oscar =2b)Floyd=2c)Mosley.

 

Again.....I don't think Floyd's a ducker whatsoever. I just don't think he has any pride in his career beyond the bank balance. And at the end of the day I'll judge him historically on what he gets done. And as of now he has gotten less done than Oscar and no more done than Shane, which is basically what this thread was about

 

Wow. You sure do get pissy when someone isn't kissing Floyd's ass the way you ALWAYS do. :crying::crying:

Sound like I struck a nerve there Stafford. Did I get too close to the truth for your liking?

 

Yeah, but Floyd would have beaten them all on paper so he had no need to fight any of them.::

But why should Floyd bother fighting the serious contenders when he can "retire" until they have all fought each other? It's WAY easier for him and his mindless groupies will just talk and talk and talk forever about how wonderful he is.