De La Hoya was a guy who seemed almost routinely in controversial scoring debates throughout parts of his career. These are the majorly-contested ones, set out below, so let us know what you think, if you scored them & recall your cards. De La Hoya vs. Whitaker, 1997 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: De La Hoya De La Hoya vs. Quartey, 1999 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: Draw De La Hoya vs. Trinidad, 1999 Their Verdict: Trinidad My Verdict: De La Hoya De La Hoya vs. Mosley II, 2003 Their Verdict: Mosley My Verdict: De La Hoya De La Hoya vs. Sturm, 2004 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: Sturm I really only see three fights I would genuinely call robberies, here --- the bouts with Trinidad, Mosley, & Sturm. For all the bluster about how De La Hoya was an undeserved favourite with the judges (& it's true he was likely to get the close ones, as he did against Whitaker & Quartey), I actually have him losing two legit victories & getting only the one true gift. Interesting.
Whitaker: 113-113 Quartey: 115-112 Quartey. De La Hoya did fuck all for most of the mid rounds and it wasn't an especially hard fight to score IMO. Trinidad: 115-114 De La Hoya. Rounds 2, 3, 5-7, 9 for DLH. Round 1 even. The others to Tito. Sturm: 117-111 Sturm. What a disgrace of a scorecard. Mosley 2: 116-113 Mosley. I originally thought DLH won this one. I re-watched it and saw no problem at all with the decision. A lot of close rounds, Mosley doing the best of the work in the latter rounds. Another example of how Compubox means fuck all. Mosely was on steroids and EPO though, so I suppose a no-contest would be fair.
I have ODH beating Whitaker (what a puss display by Pernell), Quartey, Sturm and Mosley II. I have ODH losing to Trinidad.
Great. So you rewatched in an effort to find a way to score it for Mosley. Right On! :: Usually when we watch fights, the initial reaction is the correct one. Oscar was robbed, plain and simple. Even the Mosley fans had Mosley losing until Mosley was awarded the bogus decision, then they acted like Mosley deserved to win. F*cking idiots! :laughing:
vs. whitaker - 8-4 in favor of whitaker vs. quartey - 8-4 in favor of quartey. i didn't score the last round 10-7 unlike some did. vs. tito - i had oscar winning 7 rounds to 5 vs. sturm - sturm beat his ass thorougly and won 8 rounds. vs. mosley II - close fight, i thought mosley won 7 rounds, but it could've gone either way.
i take it you hate ODH? that's the only explanation of how you could've scored ALL of those fights the way you did. there's no fucking way Quartey won 8 rounds. There's no fucking way Sturm won 8 rounds.
that's not saying much considering the countless number of threads you started on fighters you despise. vs. whitaker, oscar shadowboxed for the most part and won on judges' cards simply by celebrating after losing each round as if he won. vs. quartey, he got out boxed for 8 rounds. vs. sturm, he got his ass kicked.
oh. ok. that explains it. i didn't realize that oscar had shadowboxed, was outboxed for 8 rounds, and then got his ass kicked. i guess i missed that. i guess i was misled into thinking that: Whitaker was off his game for 12 rounds because of ODH's speed Quartey went 6 rounds without throwing a power-shot Sturm threw half as many punches as ODH
winky wright hardly ever throws power shots. does that then discredit most of his wins? perhaps tito was robbed since he went for power shots that were mostly blocked or evaded? i guess whitaker was offset by oscar's 12 round exhibition against air. sturm's usually a runner, but he changed his boring ass style for once as soon as he realized that oscar's power wasn't shit at 160, so he stood in front and jabbed the shit outta him.
De La Hoya vs. Whitaker, 1997 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: Draw (113-113) but didn't mind Oscar winning so much as the margin of victory De La Hoya vs. Quartey, 1999 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: Quartey 114-113, but would've been fine with Oscar winning by the same score. Like Whitaker, the absurd margin of victory (Save for the one card against him) is what never sits right with me De La Hoya vs. Trinidad, 1999 Their Verdict: Trinidad My Verdict: Draw, 114-114. Neither guy deserved to win, but if there had to be a winner, Oscar should've rec'd it. De La Hoya vs. Mosley II, 2003 Their Verdict: Mosley My Verdict: De La Hoya, 115-113 De La Hoya vs. Sturm, 2004 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: Sturm, 115-113 - but don't let the close score fool you; it was as decisive a 7-5 fight as they come. There's just no way that Oscar won the fight.
Whitaker: Oscar by 2 Quartey: Oscar by 1 Trinidad: Oscar by 3 Molsey II: Oscar by 2 Sturm: Sturm by 3
Whitaker over DLH 7-5 Ike over DLH 8-4 (and it was easy to score) DLH-Tito 6-6 Sturm over DLH 8-4 DLH over Mosley 7-5 (another easy one to score)
I don't remember actual scores, but here is who I had winning those fights. Oscar over Whittaker Oscar in a real close one over Quartey Oscar over Tito close but clear. Oscar beat Mosley the second time. Sturm got ripped the fuck off!
agreed on all results. Love or hate Oscar (and I hated him) this is what happens when you challenge yourself and face the best in your division...you win and lose and along the way you're in close fights. As much shit as I gave the guy, the one thing I can't take from him is he fought everyone. If Tyszu wouldn't have gotten KO'd by Phillips he would have fought him as well.
The Sturm fight had pretty decent action throughout. Lots of exchanges at close quarters. The Quartey fight had 2 exciting rounds and 10 slow ones. The Sturm fight was better, or at least, has better replay value.
De La Hoya vs. Whitaker, 1997 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: Sweet Pea De La Hoya vs. Quartey, 1999 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: Hoya... to me he needed the KD to win it and he got it by a point if I remember how I scored it back then De La Hoya vs. Trinidad, 1999 Their Verdict: Trinidad My Verdict: De La Hoya (big time robbery, to me... an 8-4 fight) De La Hoya vs. Mosley II, 2003 Their Verdict: Mosley My Verdict: De La Hoya (close one, but I did have Oscar slightly ahead) De La Hoya vs. Sturm, 2004 Their Verdict: De La Hoya My Verdict: Sturm (big gift for Hoya here, he was outjabbed from start to finish)
