Marquez-Vasquez 4 Perez-Mares

Quitting Speaks More about a Fighters CHARACTER than his ABILITY...REED has a Problem w/QUITTING, but there's CLEARLY Been Great, GREAT Fighters that QUIT...

1 has NATHAN to Do w/the Other...



REED:hammert:

 

The other thing is, there's more than one way to quit. but for some reason, it's quitting on the stool that catches the most heat. damn. if a fighter's going to quit, he may as well not waste our time by going out there round after round with no intention of winning.

 

i think repeated quitting can be attributable to a fighter's character. but isolated incidences? i don't think so. also, as i said above, i think there's tons of fighters who quit all the time, who have never quit on their stools.

my guess is a fighter's tendency to quit on his stool is a better indication of his honesty with himself than it is of his character.

 

Like I said, if Mares had some more fights Perez would have been easy work. Mares just got tired because of his inactivity due to his eye injury. Mares just needs to stay busy and he'll be a big star. This guy is the best young boxer around.

 

Yes. Arturo Gatti was distinctly average in many regards, but refused to quit. Roberto Duran was distinctly superior to Gatti in all regards, but quit, with very little soul-searching, when the mood took him.

 

that's quite a deep level of understanding you've managed as to Duran's state of mind when he quit - how'd you happen upon this information?

 

Thats a fair point too. There are lots of ways to quit. Kermit Cintron quit against Tall Paul. He tried to be conceited about it. Alexis Arguello and Gerald McClellan both quit in almost identical ways against Pryor and Benn respectively- both took a knee, had a think about it, and then didn't bother to get up, both were perfectly rational ideas. Some guys quit by not throwing another meaningful shot and hoping they dont get hurt, a la Barrera vs Pac II, Barney Ross vs Armstrong.

Quitting on the stool is probably sneered at more because at the very moment the fighter quits, he is in no immediate danger. That perception is based on a fallacy in that within seconds that fighter will be back in danger.

All in all I think a lot of commentators and fans alike are still too removed from the nature of the sport.

 

Probably- because we know he was already great. In a backhanded way, we can say that Duran quitting raises questions about Ray Leonard- what was so wrong about Leonards approach the first time that this "quitter" was able to be beaten so easily the second time out??:dunno:

 

i think it's a mistake to look at it that way when we know that 100% consistency, whether it's mental or physical, simply isn't possible for a fighter, especially one who had fought as long and as hard as Duran had by the time he faced Leonard the second time.

Also, while Leonard was certainly doing better in the second fight, compared to the first, I think it's a myth that he was dominating, or that he necessarily would've even won if Duran hadn't quit.

 

Well......look at him. He just stopped fighting. Its not like Marquez vs Vazquez I, where Vazquez thought about taking a knee earlier in the fight, and turned away in pain.

With Duran, he just seems to pack it in. It doesn't look premeditated, it is almost on a whim. Nothing there to suggest he was going to do it....seemed to be having a decent amount of success in the 8th, then just quits.:dunno:

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Which makes the quit job all the more perplexing. Like I keep saying, Durans is really an exceptional case. He had not suffered any physical calamity as is usually the case.

 

your such a clown! you act as if anybody quitting means the same thing.

There is a difference when somebody is not willing to and when somebody just cannot continue.

Vazquez's nasal pasages were fucking blocked. completely blocked on one side and about half on the other side.

I don't know how you can rip a guy for that seriously.

 

Was his mouth closed up too?. :crafty: How about when Tszyu's eyes looked like they were sunk in his skull from blood poisoning, he has bleeding on the brain and his trainer actually stops the fight,.. what did you say about that one Auction-king.. :crafty: ?,...

 

Hatton's win over Tszyu was among the dirtiest wins in boxing you'll ever see. The ref may as well have been Hatton's bar tender.

 

At the same time, people forget how competitive that bout was. It wasn't until the final two rounds that Tszyu looked a beaten figure. I was always impressed with the way Tszyu, who had not had such a fight in God knows how long, stuck in there & really battled when the going got tough. Through history, a lot of these ageing, long-time champions, who haven't been pushed (especially in a bruising fight) lose that will to knuckle down when a young challenger comes along, but on his stool or not, Tszyu fought quite valiantly, all things considered. When you account for the atrocious fouling which was permitted, you can make a case a clean fight would have had a different outcome.

At any rate, Hatton fought to his absolute limit. That was the zenith of his Boxing career, not just in terms of achievements, but what he was capable of as a fighter.

 

:cheer::cheer: Auction King ::

 

That is such a fucking CROCK OF SHIT.

 

watch the fight.

 

Nope.

 

You're an idiot mate.

There were three low blows of note.

Thats fewer than your average Tito Trinidad fight. Or Miguel Cotto fight, for that matter.