List the most multi-dimensional Fighters!

Thread definition:

fighters with the best combination of Offensive ability AND defensive ability. Infighting ability AND distance fighting ability. Boxing and Slugging. Speed and Power. Can hurt you AND take punches. Good head punchers AND good body punchers.

Who are the top 10 where this is concerned?

 

1. M
2. A
3. Y
4. W
5. E
6. A
7. T
8. H
9. E
10. R

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I knew someone would do that. But this isn't a Mayweather glorification thread, even though slystaff started it.

 

"Like I said before"

 

Anyway...

In no particular order..these are the top 6 that spring to mind

Mike McCallum
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Floyd Mayweather
Sugar Ray Robinson
James Toney

 

Point of thread revealed.

 

Ray Leonard is Perhaps THE Most Complete Fighter EVER...He was Better in Some Facets than Others, but there WASN'T a Glaring "Weakness" in his Game...



REED:hammert:

 

well yes..Floyd is also multi-dimensional.

 

agreed, he shoudl be added to the list.

 

posts nothing, wants a top ten, then gives a half-assed top 6... :doh:

way to go...

 

why don't you post your list?

 

Well Im just sticking to guys who could box at range and also slug it out, since that really defines 'multi-dimensional'.

Ray Robinson
Tommy Hearns
Sal Sanchez
Lennox Lewis
Ezzard Charles
Mike McCallum
Marvin Hagler
Ray Leonard

 

I dispute Lennox Lewis and Thomas Hearns.

Sure...both guys have the power to bomb people out. But when I think of slugging..I'm talking about a back and forth war. Haven't yet seen either man prevail in a war (Lennox against Mercer perhaps)

 

Hearns vs. Roldan Counts...That was MORE of a "War" than ANY Fight Floyd's Been in...


REED:mj:

 

Too many to even list with Lewis. Taking shots isn't a prerequisite of 'slugging'. It's about throwing caution to the wind in pursuit of a knock out.

 

I dunno i think prime james Toney and prime Juan Manuel Marquez are pretty up there for this thread.
People are now all in love with JMM's offensive arsenal which is one of the best I have seen but forget how defensive he used to be as well...the guy has it all.
Same with Toney.

 

Duran & Chavez

 

In no particular order:

Mark Johnson
JM Marquez
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Jose Napoles
Ricardo Lopez
Oscar De La Hoya
Jersey Joe Walcott

 

Good list!

 

Very good list actually.

 

Barrera would be a respectable addition to this argument. Not top-ten, but he has my respect in this regard.

 

Agreed. Good choice.

 

And against Vitali.

 

True. I therefore concede the point. :bears:

 

Agreed.

Slugged it out with Morales. Outboxed Hamed. Showed good punches to head and body. Good chin. Good power. Decent speed. Reasonable defense when necessary.

 

BULLSHIT on Toney

TOTAL BULLSHIT

Toney was a wonderful, flat-footed, stationary defensive guy with terrific countering skills... he had ZERO mobility and was never particularly good at being an aggressor (dont even say he caught Nunn that way, because he didnt, Nunn came to him because he was looking more and more like an easy target)

James Toney DOES NOT BELONG

 

I cant believe this many guys mentioned Toney... he couldnt force the action and he never moved a day in his life... anybody who could backtrack, move and jab gave him fits

 

Lewis was definately multi-dimensional.
SRL most definately.
Kostya Tsyzu also
Toney, RJJ, PBF,Hearns.
Holyfield COULD be more than he actually chose to be.

 

Good point with Holyfield. As great fighters go, Holyfield was something of an oddity to me --- unlike most men who achieve his standing or higher, he seemed to do everything quite well, but nothing truly great, in my estimation. "Jack of all trades, Master of none," as the old maxim goes. Still, adding up all of his skills, & coupling them with that amazing will & self-belief amounted to a great, great fighter at Heavyweight, & an even better one at Cruiser.

 

Admittedly, his defense was never great, but in his first meet with Alexis Arguello, Aaron Pryor showed a quite remarkable free-style switch between swarming & boxing. It was important he did, too --- for all the hoopla & hype, Pryor absolutely respected Arguello's punch, no matter the weight. Wading in all night gave Pryor pause for thought, & launched the stop-start, counter-punch approach he periodically employed in that bout.