Kennedy vs. Jacare for Middleweight Title

Wow, Noons vs punching bag Gurgel. How fucking ridiculous is that fight. It would be nice if just once Gurgel actually used his strength and tried to take the fight to the ground. He's got the Arturo Gatti defense, blocking most shots with his face. Should be an easy KO for Noons.

The ONLY fight I even care about seeing Noons in is a rematch with Diaz.

 

He ain't fucking with Diaz.

 

Don't tell me you wouldn't want to see it though. I think Diaz wins a rematch, he has looked great lately and seems much improved since the loss to Noons.

 

Diaz has more than just striking though, his real strength is on the ground.

 

The fight only went one round.

 

Diaz is a far improved striker from the Noons fight.

Noons is a joke. He avoided a rematch with Diaz and that should tell you all you need to know.

And how bad did Noons look in a striking war with Connor Huen in his last fight?

 

Diaz beats Noons ass IMO

 

At the point that Diaz was clamoring for a rematch with Noons, what was the reasoning for a rematch? Noons clowned Diaz. It wasn't like it was a close or disputed fight. Noons bloodgeoned Diaz and forced the fight to be stopped.


TFK

 

Well, actually EliteXC was also calling for the rematch and wanted it on their CBS card. They stripped Noons of the title for running like a sissy from Diaz.

And the fight was far from a 'clowning'. Noons land some shots but the first round ended with Noons on his back. The first round wasn't even worthy of a 10-8 scoring for Noons. Diaz pushed the pace, land a few shots of his own and got a couple take downs. It's not like Diaz was out by any means.

 

Noons won the first round no doubt, but the fight was stopped due to a cut, you're acting like Noons knocked Diaz out.

 

Bullshit, and Noons dad is a certified fucking psycho!

 

I agree. I was pissed that fight was stopped. Diaz has sick cardio and the longer it went, the more it favored him.

Plus the idea that Noons "stuffed" the take down attempts is a little bit of hyperbole. Diaz complete 2 out of 5 shots. That's not being "stuffed" in my opinion.

And here's the other thing. If Noons easily destroyed Diaz and wasn't scared shitless, then why give up a belt in order to avoid him?

The thought of a Diaz rematch scared Noons into disappearing from the MMA scene for almost 2 years.

Pathetic.

 

Here's the fight....

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Now tell me what Diaz did in that fight to deserve a rematch? He was totally outclassed standing up. And Noons stuffed all but one of Diaz's takedowns, and the time he was taken down, Diaz could do nothing and Noons was back on his feet in less than 15 seconds.

Noons busted up Diaz, blocked all but one take down, and was never even close to being hurt. He dropped Diaz with a punch, and pretty much teed off on him. As he used good head movement and dodged most of Diaz's punches.

So again I ask, based on that performance, why should Diaz have been given a rematch?

On a side note...for being a 'boxer', Noons throws some horribly wide punches.


TFK

 

You're ignoring the fact that Diaz got another take down at the end of the round. The round ended with Noons being slammed on his back. And then it was stopped between rounds because of cuts.

You should really ask EliteXC why they wanted the rematch. And even further, ask KJ Noons why he would give up a belt, disappear from MMA and look like an utter pussy just to avoid a guy that he apparently had no problem beating.

As I said before, Noons got the better of the first round but it wasn't 10-8 worthy and Diaz was NEVER out of the fight.

 

If you watch that round and see Diaz being outclassed I have no fucking idea what you are watching. Diaz was winning the round up until he got dropped with that shot, he had two take downs and was landing more strikes than Noons. Noons was far from dominant in that round. That was a very competitive round.

 

That second takedown happened after the bell, so it doesn't count. It's no different then if Diaz punched him after the bell. That obviously wouldn't count either.

You say Diaz was never out of the fight...when was he in the fight? Noons teed off on him at will, stuffed all but one takedown, and when he was taken down, he got right up. Diaz did nothing....nothing...that round, other then maybe land one or two of his weak pitty pat punches that never came close to hurting Noons.

It may not have been 10-8, but Noons clearly won that round. And Noons cut him up with a knee and a punch, it wasn't any cheap elbows on the ground.

So I'm still waiting for you to show me what Diaz did in that fight to warrant a rematch.

TFK

 

Are you sure you watched this fight?

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Because if you did, there's no way in hell you'd think Diaz was winning anything.


TFK

 

Break it down for me then, I JUST watched it.

I'm just not seeing it. It was competitive.

 

I already said in an earlier post that noons won the round, you must have alternate ending to the round where Diaz is out cold or something judging by your posts.

Are you really saying Diaz wasn't competitive?

 

The fight was stopped on cuts while Diaz was still the aggressor and finished the first round by slamming Noons on his back. He backed Noons up the entire round. If not for cuts, the fight continues and the best man wins. The cuts were a legitimate reason for stoppage but more a result of Diaz's problem with cutting as opposed to Noon's landing a ton of shots.

At no point was Noons 'teeing' off on Diaz. KJ spent the majority of the round fighting going backwards and barely landed more shots than Diaz. It was competitive and would have been even more heated if not for the cuts forcing a stoppage.

But the most important thing is that EliteXC mandated a rematch and Noons chose to run from MMA, the fight, and Diaz. That much cannot be debated.

 

I never understood why losing by a cut somehow invalidates the win.

 

It doesn't. Sometime fans just want to see a rematch and this is one of those times.

 

The talent pool in EliteXC was pretty thin, so a rematch against Diaz made sense because there was nobody else for Noons to face with the name value of Diaz, but Noons had beaten Diaz, and beaten him fair and square, and Diaz did nothing in the fight to deserve a rematch, so Noons wanted to move on.

To be honest, had the ref not stopped it, Noons probably would've KO'd Diaz.

TFK

 

Where do I start with this one. First, Noons didn't move on, he ran from Diaz, MMA, and got stripped of his belt for flat out refusing to fight Diaz.

Next, it's a huge assumption to say Noons probably would have knocked Diaz out. Let's be honest Diaz took a huge knee and a huge right hand and was absolutely no where even close to being out. In fact, at the point the fight was stopped, Diaz was pushing the action and was seconds removed from slamming Noons on his back. It's just as easy to assume that the take downs were getting easier for Diaz and it was just a matter of time until he subbed KJ.

I know your hate for the Diaz brothers and that camp tints your view from time to time, but I can't believe you're trying to make it seem like Noons steamrolled Diaz. A rematch was the best matchup EliteXC had at the time. The fans wanted it. Diaz wanted it. But Noons and his daddy didn't have the stones for it.