Steward and Roger Mayweather talk about Pacquiao’s catchweight fight with Margarito!

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/08/steward-and-roger-mayweather-talk-about-pacquiaos-catchweight-fight-with-margarito/


Roger Mayweather says this in an article by John Martinez, “He’s [Pacquiao] been fighting under weights that he challenges at. He didn’t fight Oscar, Ricky or Cotto at 147. He’s always weighing in less and he had them drain their bodies to make weight. It’s like cheating. Look, if you’re gonna challenge a motherf**ker that’s in weight class, then fight at the required weight or don’t challenge him at all and if you’re gonna fight for a title at a bigger weight class, then respect that weight and title and fight at 154.†Here here, bravo, Roger!:giggle:

 

Or he could just be like Floyd and challenge a smaller guy, agree on a weight and then just not even come close to making the agreed upon weight.

 

Yeah, I agree, that was very weak on Floyd's part...but I don't think the weight mattered at all in the outcome...it's a sparring session at any weight...one that Marquez was all too willing to get paid for...but it wasn't that much of a detriment to Marquez to make the weight...De La Hoya's performance was clearly hampered by making weight..and that's something that was intended in the weight demands.

 

So? He has done it once. Pacquiao has done it multiple times, starting with the 3rd Morales fight in 2006, that he demanded to be at 130. He does it every time he feels an opponent is a threat to him like Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya and now Margarito. If he feels the opponent is mediocre like David Diaz, Hatton or Clottey he has no trouble fighting at the regulated weight.

 

A faggit and a cheat. My money is on the faggit.

 

You guys sure know how to fuck a thread up. I agree with Mayweather and Stewart. Pacman should not be allowed to create these bullshit weight classes including if it involves the title.

 

Seriously Who the fuck does Pacquiao think he is? Roger's not the guy to make the point, since his nephew's a scum-bag. But still. I think Roach is behind this. I think Roach in his own way may be as self-serving and as delusional as Roger. He's definitely smarter, and more socially adapted. But I think he's as big a scum-bag.

 

Margarito can make 147. Manny should be fighting him there. The only problem here is that there's a 'title' on the line. But titles have been meaningless for about 10 years anyway, so who gives a shit?

 

Apparently, Pacquiao does, who is more than willing to have his title wins declared as part of his dossier. Pacquiao wants championshoip status at 147, claims it, and takes credit for it, but he doesn't want to fight guys that actually weight the limit? WTF!!!

 

At the end of the day Pac is fucking himself. Boxing fans are not going to forget about all these bullshit catch weights. I think it will hurt his legacy in the long run. It will be so funny if Margarito ends up beating the shit out of him.

 

I don't think that's how things usually go in the long run. Some people will remember, and perhaps even be diligent about bringing them up on message boards, but outside of that, I think things are usually the other way, those kinds of things are often talked about more at the time and then forgotten or dismissed more and more as time goes by.

 

Anything over 147 for a fight with Margarito is certainly NOT to Pac's advantage. I don't know what you're all crying about. Pac is a fucking midget making fights with guys WAY bigger tha he is.

 

READ IT AND agREE

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33475&highlight=Welterweight+Is+Dead

 

Nobody has to agree to anything, you blame Pac but nobody is forcing these guys to sign the contract. So blame them all.

 

Welterweight is a mess.

 

You are aware that anything over 140 is welterweight right? You weigh 145 and you're a welterweight. That falls within the weight class.

 

Then allow the guy to have the additional two pounds.

 

don't forget...Oscar did this with Hopkins...that weight limit was 157.

 

But what a fighter weighs within the weight class is up to them...unless they give up that right for money, or something else.

It's within a fighter's right to request it, and another fighter's right to accept it....it's also within everyone else's right to point it out...and perhaps make a note of it with an asterisk or other such device to point it out.

 

Mitchell there is such a thing as bargaining power. When the guy you are fighting is the biggest payday of your life...then....well your supposed "equality" is diluted severely.

 

I agree. These details get lost over time. And even if someone notices the catch weight 20 years from now, only the long-term fan will have any frame of reference for how badly such a catch weight truly affected Pac's opponents. For example, I think 2 extra pounds beyond welter was murder for Cotto. He looks like he is pretty thin at 154. 147 I am sure is a nightmare... but then 2 more pounds on top of it? The sole intent of that was to inflict as much agony on his body as possible before fight night. I think it affected Oscar as well, though not as much as Cotto. But you couldn't really know this unless you were following these fighter's careers at the time.

I've always hated playing any game or engaging in any competition where someone tries to remove the competitive nature of it as much as possible by employing a formula. The goal is to make the skill part of it less important, and to try and transform the contest so that it depends on something else. For instance, this relatively modern fight "strategy" where fighters use their reach to keep distance, leap in with a sneaky bomb, then tie up tight until broken up by the ref. There are variations on this, but the idea is the same. Change the contest such that what matters is not who is actually the better fighter.

Pacquiao is doing the same thing. Pick a higher weight fighter in a class where Pac can comfortably come in 5 pounds lighter but the opponent is known to have trouble making the true class weight. Then initiate negotiations. Half way in, push for 5 pounds under. Opponent refuses? Repeat at 4 pounds lighter, 3 pounds, 2 pounds, until they finally bite. If they don't, find a different opponent and do the same thing. I hate that. It is an obvious attempt to rig the contest and change what matters. Now it's more a case of can opponent X not damage their body enough to still be able to get through 12 rounds on fight night? That is not a question of boxing or skill, jabs or style, or even heart. It's a question of pushing limitations to human health.

Worse, IMO Pac doesn't need to do this. He is good enough to fight at the true established class weights and still win in and around 140 or 147. What's more, the fans would be better served because fights like Pac/DLH and Pac/Cotto would have been better and more competitive at 147, even if the outcome may not have changed. Of course Manny is not the only one doing this sort of thing, but he deserves some criticism because he makes a habit of it and because he is skilled enough to competitively fight and win without the need for concessions in weight, and he knows it.

 

Exactly right. De La Hoya's a hypocrite for complaining about it...and has rightly been called on it in the past.

Gabriel Montoya did it just recently when DLH mentioned it

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http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-...s-on-marquez-vs-diaz-ii-catchweights-and-more

DLH's hypocrisy doesn't erase the issue, though...what it does mean, among other things, is that Hopkins was a hell of a lot smarter about doing it and who he was doing it against than De La Hoya was.

I was pretty surprised De La Hoya made that kind of concession at the time.

 

I understand...but a fighter can say "no", they don't want the payday.

If you give up your right for money, you're giving up your right for money.

That shouldn't stop anyone from pointing it out.

Is it fair to ask if Pacquiao/Roach are trying to buy themselves an easier fight when they do it? It should be.

 

Good point.

 

This shit started when Arum signed pacquiao. That multiple-weight champion facade done by fighting the weakest opposition and/or weakening their opponent by way of catchweight is what he did with Oscar. The problem is, like you said, that Pacquiao doesn't needs to do that. He could've fought Cotto at the limit and still beat him.

 

Pacquiao is just a puppet,he just does whatever Arum wants.I think blaming Pacquiao is funny.