Examples of when the better fighter lost simply due to size disadvantage...

Often times, great fighters can turn a size disadvantage into an advantage. Like when Pacquiao beat ODH or when RJJ beat Ruiz. In this case, a great smaller fighter manages to beat a good or average bigger fighter.

But sometimes, whether it's due to the referee's not breaking the fighters, the smaller fighter's style, or the style of the bigger fighter, this turns out not to be the case.

Examples?

 

Ray Robinson vs Maxim

 

Bob Foster vs. Zora Folley and Ernie Terrell

Emile Griffith who was never really more then a Welterweight, even when he was fighting mostly Middleweights, getting blitzed by Hurricane Carter during one of his earlier forays against bigger opponents.

 

Anybody that DARES to Mention Mayweather vs. Marquez is Chock FULL of Shit...Ditto for the Hatton Lovers that CLING to the Premise that Floyd-Hatton would've Been Different, had it Taken Place 7 Pounds SOUTH of Where it Did...



REED:kidcool:

 

REED swoops in with the preemptive strike. ::


Mayweather must be hiding WMD's in his gloves.

 

Mayweather-Marquez was an offensive farce of a fight. If anyone brings it up I'll agree with it whether it's right or not on general principle.

 

Agree.

Anybody realize Mayweather has fought exactly twice in the last 3 years? One of those against a guy nowhere near the weight class he was supposed to be campaigning in, using the excuse he was just coming off a long break.

At least Ray Leonard had the excuse of a detached retina to explain away his flitting in and out of boxing for the last decade of his career.

Floyd is officially irrelevant right now.



:shit:

 

Floyd taking a soft touch was fully permissible. Permission granted. Sponging off the name recognition of a great fighter 3 weights smaller was distasteful & felt like an affront to fans with sense, to Marquez' legacy, to the integrity of boxing as sporting competition and a whole bunch of other serious sounding stuff that made me feel very maudlin and earnest.

Floyd's still the best fighter in the sport so he's far from irrelevant. But everything you say is true. The fact that both what you say and what I say are true says bad things....

 

agREED & REED Actually APOLOGIZES for Bringing his Name Up....



REED:mj:

 

Tunney & Greb, anyone?

I think Carnera-Loughran makes a pretty obvious example.

 

Since we'll never see the video, let's look at the reports that have Tunney beating the shit out of Greb without mentioning anything about size.

Greb apparently had his Duran/Leonard night and then Tunney showed multiple times that he was better.

 

Neither JMM nor Hatton lost to Mayweather because of their size disadvantage. They both would have lost at either of their preferred weights. It would have GREAT, though, had either fight been away from 147, for the sake of spectacle if nothing else. It is typical, though, of that cunt Mayweather, to have ensured he stacked the deck as best he could in both affairs.

Fuck Mayweather

MTF :shit:

 

Hatton was at his best at 140; Castillo showed that Mayweather could be bullied at 135. Mayweather is better at 147 than Hatton is. Similar to Whitaker/JCC.

I think there are strong arguments that size didn't matter in either of those fights, but I think it is far from conclusive. Some fighters are just not as good at heavier weights. Which is the point of this thread, isn't it?

 

Thank you Sir !!! Exactly my point. Just as size as a factor can be over-estimated, so too can skill and accomplishment! Sometimes, size matters above all.

And REED, take your shit and smell it !!!

Guess what? Hatton is an under-sized welter-weight! JMM is an under-sized welter-weight...squared !!! PBF? He is not.

PBF is running scared. It's a cliche, I know. But as pathetic as it may be, its simply the truth when it comes to PBF. "What's the story with PBF? Ah, he's running scared. Just ask Roy Orbison."

PBF is just a age-old case of running scared. He can dress it up with ignorance, production by his G promoter, and tuna-can-crap about his undefeated record, but he's just running scared.

 

Uh Oh!!!...Doub's been DRINKING Again!!!....


REED:hammert:

 

:cheer::cheer:

 

correct.

In answer to the thread...

Arguably Meldrick Taylor vs Terry Norris.

Duran vs Hagler

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

But if Duran had been naturally the size of Hagler, he woudln't have been as quick, had as good stamina, punching power and upper body movement as he had at lightweight.

P4p matchups:kick:

 

The vast majority of fighters taking on guy that are too big for them is when they run out of options or are looking to get a big(ger) payday.

In those cases what's going to happen in the ring is pretty clear beforehand so i don't really even consider them as "well if they were the same size it would have been different"

It's irrelevant.

 

This is especially true with Terry Norris' opponents

 

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It certainly is for a fair bit of them.

 

rios vs peterson comes to mind.


for the record, marquez landed many more punches against mayweather jr. than mosley did.

 

Marquez is a little less retarded then Mosley.

 

Really?

Not saying you're wrong but it just didn't seem like it, even with Mosley acually hurting Mayweather in the 2nd.

 

casamayor vs. jl castillo

 

WHat??? :notallthere:

A prime Roy Jones had as much speed as any FLYWEIGHT let alone Lightweight.

A prime Hopkins had as much stamina as any minimum weight.

Anyway...P4P...Duran is the better fighter than Hagler...even if you take into consideration all of the factors that you mention. It evens out overall if you think about it anyway..but that's for another discussion...

 

Gatti vs Baldomir.

If Gatti had a bit more left and wasn't fighting a 154lbr, he could have won.

 

Cotto-Margarito

 

marquez, hernandez and gonzalez in their fights against marcellus johnson.

 

No. An average lightweight is faster than an average middleweight, and an average flyweight has more stamina than an average welterweight. Thus, if you want to make a p4p comparison between them, you have to reduce the speed, stamina and movement of the smaller guy just like you reduce the reach and power of the bigger guy (since usually the bigger guy is better in that regard). And when you make the fighters different size than they actually were, it changes their fighting completely too. Imagine a 6'7 Mike Tyson doing his upper body moves