Could Manny beat Pavlik?

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He won easily..but Margarito definitely hurt him badly with a few of those body shots. Pavlik lands one of those and it's over, IMO.

 

Pac will not fight anyone over 147 again, I will bet money on this. He's not fighting Williams or Martinez either. Guaranteed. Margarito was almost too big and Pac knows it.

 

I agree that 154 COULD be a step too far for Pacquiao, let alone middleweight. The guy has a featherweight frame.

Plasterito is a big welterweight, closer to jr middle size. Luckily without his magic wraps he is just a big tough scrub.

I would still make Pacquiao the slight favourite over either Martinez or Tall Paul, but obviously they are both tougher fights than Plasterito.

 

Anybody who thinks Pacquiao beats any one of the fabulous 4 is probably smoking something. He trashed DLH when he was a shell of himself. That's like saying Calzaghe beat Roy Jones, Trevor Berbick beating Ali means something. Pacquiao has chosen a handful of opponents and put enough clauses in their to make it viable to fight them and win. Granted he's the best probably of the new generation but how would he cope with the vicious jab of Hearns or his amazing right hand power. Pacquiao would get pummeled. He do no better than Duran did against Hearns

Cupey

 

Difference those guys aren't slow like the carefully picked, bigger opponents that Pac has been fighting.

 

Absurd. DLH is slow? Cotto is slow? Pac could knock out Mayweather and you'd find a reason to fault him.

And carefully hand-picked? He's fought every legitimate threat at WW. What are you talking about?

 

I dunno I can think of two notable ones he hasn't fought:

Floyd and Shane (he hasn't fought Judah either).

 

I would've love to see Mayweather carefully pick a fight vs. Cotto, Margarito or Clottey...

 

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Carefully picked. He's basically cleaned out the division. His resume at 147 pisses on Floyds, in the space of a year too.

In one year, he has a better resume at 147 than Floyd who has been at the weight for FIVE years. Can you believe that? Floyd has been a welterweight for five fucking years.

boxerpuncher has now joined qwerty and TLC's special club.

 

The fab 4 is a different story but your comparison doesn't hold water.

Everybody knew what state Jones and Ali were on those fights and the results were as expected.

Oscar was a big favorite over Manny at the time. De La Hoya was being hammered by fans for picking on a smaller guy. Sure Oscar looked finished in that fight, but nobody knew it would be that bad before hand. It wasn't some kind of opportunistic move to take that fight. Saying so is revisionist. Even the people the few who picked Manny did not foresee Oscar not winning a single round and quitting on his stool.

 

Or Pacquiao carefully pick a fight vs Judah, Mosley, Castillo, Corrales or an undefeated Hatton....

 

Really?

Judah by the time Pacquiao got to 147 was irrelevant...having gotten destroyed by Cotto, pounded by Clottey and beaten soundly by Mayweather.

For Hatton, Pacquiao was at 130 in 2007....and nobody even though he would be at 140(too small)...

When Castillo and Corrales were relevant 2002-2006 Pacquiao was beating the life out of the 3 GREATEST MEXICAN FIGHTERS of this Generation...Morales, Marquez and Barrera...when PACQUIAO made it to 135 those guys were DONE in that division/life...

Mosley is the only guy that Pacquiao could/should have fought...



the difference between the guys you mention and Cotto,Margarito,Clottey is that my guys were LEGIT TOP 5 Welterweights during Mayweather reign in that division....THE GUYS you mention were 5-17 LBS north of were PACQUIAO was fighting....

 

We've done this dance before...

When Floyd moved up to 147 Cotto was still green there and wasn't ready for Floyd. Floyd fought the legit champion, Baldomir, and Zab Judah who had been the recent Undisputed champion before a shock defeat...the man who stopped Spinks who beat Mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Mosley...etc.

Margarito wasn't as relevant as Judah or Baldomir at the time..regardless of how you want to spin it or compare them AFTER the fact..and then Floyd moved up in weight to challenge Oscar..which was a LEGITIMATE challenge at the time (last fight was a destruction of the aforementioned Mayorga).
Floyd took time off and then came back for a date with an UNDEFEATED Hatton..a guy that had stopped Tszyu and Castillo.

Now at that point Cotto would have been relevant...but since Floyd took on Shane who ran pretty even with Cotto and then destroyed Cotto's daddy...Margarito...we can't crticize Floyd for not facing Margarine or Cotto.i

 

:: YES WE CAN....and i'm not talking about fighting Margarito or Cotto NOW...i was talking back in 2007-2009..he could have fit one of those guys in between DLH and HATTON..or right afterwards..but he decided to retire cause the EASY FIGHTS were OVER...NOW HE HAD TO FIGHT THE BEST WELTERs in the WORLD...


from 2005-2010 w/ 18 months off..Mayweather didn't find the time to fight Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Cintron, or Williams?? 5 of the most relevant Welterweights in the last 10 years?? :scratcher:

 

Sly, the only legit fighter Pacquiao could have fought but didn't is Mosley, that's it.

Compare that with the amount of fighters Floyd hasn't fought, especially at welterweight, the weight he's been at for 5 years.

 

Bull shit Sly, Mayweather had 8 million reasons to fight Margarito. If it was such an easy fight he would have jumped all over it. Fact is, he didn't.

 

Undefeated Hatton? Are you kidding me? He was never a welterweight (looked like crap against Collazo and then went back to his natural weight). Fraud pick a small boxer and forced him to move up in weight to beat him (nobody dares to mention Marquez, okay??!)

 

Margarito was irrelevant until he beat Cotto. Who was Margarito when Floyd moved up to Welterweight and fought Judah and Baldomir. Who was Margarito then? The guy who beat Six heads after Mayorga did? The guy who beat Cintron? He was irrelevant.

 

With that logic...fuck Ray Leonard for picking on the smaller Duran or fuck Hagler for facing Hearns or Fuck De La Hoya for fighting Mosley.

Nothing wrong with fighting a proven good fighter who's coming up from a lower weight class. Happens all the time.

 

You're right, but there's only so much credit you can give for the victory, especially when they turn out to be very average at the new weight, like Hatton.

 

Manny could very well beat him. How crazy is that ? Couple years ago we were watching Manny fight Barrera at featherweight and now we're discussing him beating up middleweights.

 

According to most Mayweather was ducking Hatton.

 

His whole career was built from the ground up on the basis of Floyd not fighting him. His career now is nothing but a sham, his biggest wins are shadowed by the fact that he was using plaster to cheat.

 

Please only a few people were saying that..and most were Hatton groupies...Cotto, Margarito, Williams...now a few people were saying Mayweather was ducking them...and he never faced them..

 

Bob Arum never wanted Cotto or Pacquaio to fight PBF until now. Those are his fighters. He made sure to match them up with one another first, including Margarito.

 

Of course Pacquiao would have a chance against Pavlik and Hagler. If I remember correctly, I think Leonard figured he weighed like 145 after his fight with Hagler. Duran almost beat Hagler and Duran is a quitter piece of shit compared to Pacquiao.

Pacquiao is a freak and until you get to guys like Calzaghe, I'm saying he'd have a chance against anyone at 160 and below. I wouldn't pick him over everyone, but he would have a chance.

Weight difference doesn't matter until it matters and it's hard to predict when that will be. Personally, I'd like to see Pavlik stretch out PEDquiao, but as mentioned above, Pavlik isn't as good as he was a few years ago and he's shown he can get stymied by speed and tactics.

Williams is too easy to hit, but obviously he brings things to the table.

Martinez has to be favored over Pacquiao.

I think Pacquiao would have all kinds of problems with Dzinziruk, personally, but I doubt we'll ever see that fight.

Maybe getting hurt by a few body shots does indicate that Pacquiao's range is established, but it didn't put him into a shell or make him run, it made him fight back.

 

Uncle Bob seems hellbent on making Pac vs Mosley next.

 

Well if Mayweather stop running and hiding the fight vs. Pacquiao could be all worked out in a week...50-50 split, 14 days drug testing..all the important shit has been agreed upon.