Pac/Marg PPV Numbers?

Andre Berto vs Guty Espadas Jr. 1.54 PPV buys.

 

due to my short arms I'm the .54

Cupey

 

Not funny.

 

It's apples and oranges when you look at how many people HAD access to pay per view in 1999 compared to now. It's effectively like comparing sales in a country the population of Mexico to one the population of the US.

As a share of available customers it's well down. In terms of public interest it's well down. In terms of public awareness it's way down. Putting everything on PPv so that you don't expose your product to any new customers for 15 fucking years will tend to have that effect...

 

The fight did 1.15 million.

 

Seems a bit more like it.

 

Fightnews is reporting that number.

 

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Both Mayweather and Pacquiao fought DLH, though...for both fighters, there's a dividing line Before DLH and After DLH when it comes to their numbers.

Not suggesting DLH's the only way to ppv stardom, but he's certainly one of the more proven ways.

And the thing is, DLH stayed around long enough to lose to both...if he stays gone after Hopkins, Mayweather-Pacquiao, and boxing itself, looks a lot different than it does right now.

 

Ask Shane Mosley

 

Or ask Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, Morales, Larios, Solis, Barrera, Marquez and Diaz.

 

But BOTH Pac & Mayweather R Doing just Fine in the POST-Dela Era....& if Floyd EVER Locates his Ballsack, him & Pac will Set a NEW PPV Record...Dela Basically Passed the Torch...

Regardless HOW Floyd & Pac GOT to that Point, they're THERE NOW...



REED:mj:

 

Not arguing how well they're doing post-DLH, the point was that they got where they are in part because they got fights against DLH, and won.

In Mayweather's case, he was the fight for DLH to take after the Mayorga comeback fight. DLH in fact made the fight, and Mayweather won it...and then expertly parlayed that win into Dancing with the Stars, Wrestlemania, etc.

That doesn't always happen in boxing, and when it doesn't, like Klitschko not beating Lewis in their fight, and then there not being a rematch, has undoubtedly hurt the heavywight division since Lewis retired.

So you have to see who those "next" fighters are, whether they get fights with Mayweather and/or Pacquiao, and how well they do in those fights if they get them.

And again, not saying that's the only way to getting superstars in boxing, but that's the shortest route I can think of.

 

Was Lennox EVER an Established PPV Entity???...Given that Uncertainty, REED Isn't Sure that Klit-Lennox II would've Made Much of a Difference in TODAY'S Heavyweight Landscape.....



REED:mj:

 

Well, I mean, it wouldn't have made as much of a difference on TODAY'S heavyweight landscape after Vitali left the sport for four years.

But Lennox was at least a pay per view fighter, not Tyson in that regard, but a pay per view entity. Well over a million against Tyson, and Holyfield I, did 850,000 for the rematch, I think he did in the 400,000's with Rahman and Tua, 300,000's against Grant.

Not having that fight definitely hurt the division...but who knows how all that plays out differently if that fight was made.

And the thing is, Tyson was really Lewis' DLH...but there was nobody he could capitalize on that with...which is why tried so damn hard, and for so long, to make the rematch, and when that fell through, they tried building up the Klitschko fight, but then Johnson got injured and the fight was made with no build-up, and once there was interest in teh fight, for the rematch, Lewis decided he was too old to keep doing it.

Which actually goes to my point that boxing can be fickle, and it's not always easy to create superstars, especially when there's fewer fighters to make your name against.

Mayweather-Pacquiao is lightning in a bottle.

 

Probably Tyson-Lewis, to B Honest....In Terms of HIGH SELLING PPV's...Lennox Fought Guys like Michael Grant, David Tua & Others on PPV, but they Didn't Generate Anything of Note...


REED:mj:

 

Vitali Klitschko Fought Danny Williams on PPV (On the Strength of Williams KO'ing Mike Tyson), but that's LITERALLY THE LAST Heavyweight Fight that Springs to REED's Mind, that was a Featured American PPV...

"Heavyweight Boxing" is Bordering on OXYMORONIC These Days....

REED:kidcool:

 

It really is strange when you think about it, heavyweight boxing has been THE mainstream big money division pretty much since the dawn of boxing, and now look.

 

You think that can only happen in the heavyweight division?

Where do you think the welterweight division is today if Mayweather stays retired and Pacquiao can't beat DLH?

Margarito-Cotto did 450,000 buys...and was one of the biggest boxing pay per views in '08...yet Margarito's next fight, against Mosley, wasn't even on pay per view.

 

The Lewis/Klitschko fight that was to be made was Lennox vs Wlad since everyone (but me) thought that Wlad was the better fighter of the two Klitschko's at that time...hence them (lennox/wlad) appearing in that movie together. Vitali was still greatly tarnished by the byrd fight.

 

Right, but how are all the pay per view numbers looking for fights this year that didn't include Mayweather or Pacquiao?

 

Well, it's alternated.

Wlad was the gold medalist from the Olympcis but then he lost to Purrity and it switched to Vitali.

Vitali won the WBO against Hide, highlights of which I believe were the first appearance either brother made on HBO, with Vitali-Sullivan then coming on Showtime, but then Vitali retired against Byrd, who was supposed to be Ruddock, so it was back to Wlad.

Wlad was on HBO against Barrett, on the Lewis-Botha undercard, and then beat Byrd to win the title and it was him again and he managed that for a while but was knocked out by Sanders in March, so it was back to Vitali.

The planned Lewis-Johnson/Klitschko-Boswell card was in June of that year with an eye towards a Lewis-Klitschko meeting later that year.

 

yes, i think this is all accurate, I just wasn't gonna go figure it all out on boxrec. It was that Sanders fight that screwed everything up. Vitali might have been the Klitschko on top at the time, but I don't think the powers at the top believed he would perform as well as he did vs Lennox or they never would have subbed him in like they did.

 

No.People gave a shit about Tyson.

 

[Boxing] Manny Pacquiao's latest win draws $64 million in PPV revenue

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Manny Pacquiao's decisive victory against Antonio Margarito at Cowboys Stadium on Nov. 13 drew 1,150,000 pay-per-view buys, which translates into $64 million in PPV revenue, according to Mark Taffet, HBO's senior vice president of PPV.

Pacquiao, who extended his record to world championships in eight different weight divisions by winning the vacant WBC super welterweight title in the 12-round fight — a unanimous-decision win in which Pacquiao broke the orbital bone around Margarito's right eye — has generated more than a million buys in each his last five fights,

"The Pacquiao-Margarito pay-per-view figures significantly exceeded our expectations," Taffet said Tuesday. "We're thrilled with the fans' show of support and look forward to building on the momentum through the rest of 2010 and into 2011."

Pacquiao's victory against Oscar De La Hoya generated 1.25 million buys in 2008, and his victory against Miguel Cotto in 2009 generated 1.2 million buys.

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Source: Manny Pacquiao's latest win draws $64 million in PPV revenue - USATODAY.com

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Does Floyd deserve more money now? Yeah I don't think so either.