REED has Been Arguing IN FAVOR of a ROUND by ROUND Scoring System...U've Been Arguing AGAINST a Round by Round Scoring System...Welcome to 2 HOURS AGO.... REED:mj:
Wow, my single comment went a long way. My thought was simple and similar to Pride. You're a judge. You watch the entire fight. And based on the scoring criteria, at the end of the fight you say "I think Rampage won." Honestly, if you take away the round by round scoring of the Rampage-Machida fight, which guy would you have rather been when the final bell rang? For me it would be Machida. And not because he was winning at the end, but because at the end of the 15 minutes he had done the most damage and shown the most dominance. It would eliminate end of round flurries or 4 minutes of lay and pray winning a round and thus impacting the outcome of a fight. The real fix would be better use of the 10 point system. Judges should be encouraged to score rounds even if there isn't an absolute clear winner. And if the fight has been relatively even with little damage on either side, a guy should get extra credit for clearly dominating a round. For example, consider this scoring of Machida-Jackson: Round 1: 10-10 No Clear winner Round 2: 10-9 Jackson clearly did more and deserves the round Round 3: 8-10 Machida was dominant and gets extra credit because compared to the rest of the fight, his dominance in round 3 was the clearest.
No my friend. You said you have been watching Pride events. Now i want to know what your issues was with the scoring of those events that you CLEARLY never brought up before. If the criteria was so bad, why havent you mentioned it?
Round by Round scoring needs to be eliminated entirely IMO. Judging the time before each break completely removes the idea that this 15 minute fight. At the end of that 15 minutes, you need to have a loser and a winner. And despite what happens in the beginning, or the middle, if when that bell rings, and you are dominating the fight you are the winner. Any other way makes this a game that is being played. You play games, you dont play fighting. This is just my opinion of course.
I think they both have their advantage/disadvantages. The problem that I have with scoring a fight without RBR, is that just because someone may be winning when the final bell rings, doesn't mean he dominated. If a fighter completely dominated the first round and was close to finishing but was stopped by the bell, this may be overlooked by some people because someone finished stronger at the end of the fight.
Now you make a good point. And what im going to say is totally different than the scoring Pride has had. But if things were to change the way I want them to, i wouldnt allow a fight to stop at the round if you are close to being knocked or in trouble. Much like when a referee waits for a lull in the action before replacing a mouthpiece, if someone is in trouble and the bell sounds for round, they must continue until a lull in the action. I think rounds should be used for breaks. Not for collecting cards and judging that 5 minutes of action.
I actually think if judges were more open to judging a round 10-10 it would be a good thing. It would make a guy push harder to clearly win a round. I also think "stalling" should be used in MMA. Guys that lay and pray should be warned and stood back up. If they do it again, take a point. I am in favor of round by round scoring, I just think the judges need to change their scoring.
Instead of the point use the yellow card. You aslo have to have experienced Refs that know he difference between stalling and working.
Gentlemen, the biggest issue here is the existence of RBR scoring being mandatory for sanctioning in America. Even then, there are certain states that won't sanction MMA bouts. The purpose of the 5-minute round (and weight classes) is strictly for fighter safety - nothing more, nothing less. The idea of RBR scoring in MMA was borrowed form a proven system in boxing that has been in place for decades. 2 different sports, I know. But thats the reasoning behind it. Having read all of your opinions in this thread, it is a consensus opinion that the existing system is flawed and therefore should be changed to ....... something different. While the RBR system can be controversial in both boxing and MMA, it's the only reasonable solution based on the history of combat sports in America. Sometimes the loser is declared the winner. And that blows. But these fighters know that and the orgainzations can implement rules to push the pace that would fall within sanctioning guidelines. I say bring back the Yellow Cards!
So let me get this straight. Dana White is pissed because his fighter showed a bit of humility instead of jumping on top of the cage, beating his chest and pounding down a six pack of Rockstar Energy Drink? This guy wants to be Vince McMahon so much, it must hurt. :shit:
I have two different opinions on this matter that i listed. 1. Old Pride way of doing things. I think these rules are better suited for MMA. And this is more realistic in happening than my #2. 2. Obviouly #2 has no shot in hell of happening. But it would be my dream.
I've always liked the way Pride scored there fights because it was a system designed for MMA and it belonged to MMA.RBR is for boxing or Kickboxing
That is exactly what I thought when I read that article. Somehow White just seems to be a big negative distraction to his own sport and every time he opens his mouth it feels like the WWF. What good does it do to criticize his own fighter for speaking how he felt, and of course he has to take another knock at boxing at every opportunity. Of course if you asked for a quote from Dana he'd tell you that he adores boxing. I really dislike that fucking prick.
When i think of Dana white, i never think of Vince McMahon. He displays none of Vince's traits. I have never seen Vince act the way white is acting. I never understood how people connect them.
The public persona of each is different. I think the parallel exists in the 'egomaniacal/tyrannical/micromanagement' styles that they both employ behind the scenes. They are both VERY critical of former employees that are no longer in the service of their respective org. Genuine lack of class and ethics. Dana shows this publicly. Vince is better at keeping it under wraps.
The scoring in PRIDE, in conjunction with the yellow card system, almost GUARANTEED a highlight reel fight every time on every card. It too bad that US sanctioning bodies wont take another look at it. The RBR system actually benefits the least entertaning fighters that are able to get the takedowns at will and then keep their opponent on the mat without advancing position and opting to "play it safe." Everybody suffers when this scenario occurs. And it occurs all too often :shit:
Of course you don't. You didn't need to say that, if I could have bet on that in Vegas I would have put my life savings on you not thinking White compared to McMahon. No offense but you have a tendency to take a biased point of view on some things and won't ever be swayed. Dana White and MMA are 2 such things IMO. Of course you're going to argue that you aren't biased about those things. I'm not going to argue with you about it though, because it's not like you can actually be swayed.
