Prime Zab Judah vs Marcos Maidana

Happens?

 

Zab should have all the tools necessary to win, but he was the biggest tool of them all himself so he'd find a way to fuck it up and get KOed

 

Maidana survives a knock down or two early, and KO's Zab late. He's a bad style matchup for Judah

And due to styles, I'd pick a prime Judah to waste Khan.

 

Agreed.

 

Prime Judah? I'd pick Zab of 2010 to waste Khan.

 

I think Judah probably KO'd Maidana.

 

There's no fucking way Zab beats Maidana. None. People like to say a prime Judah would've toyed with Mathysse, but the fact is, a prime Judah looked like shit against Hector Quiroz.

And it's hard to say, but I'd favor Khan to beat Judah. I wouldn't be surprised if they make that fight. Judah would be hopeless, especially now, against Khan's outside attack.

 

dewfinitely a winnable fight for Maidana

 

If he shipped the amount of head shots he did to Khan against Judah I don't think he'd walk through them like he was being tickled by a feather duster. One of them's going to sleep, could go either way.

 

Something which needs to be pointed out here: the greatest 140lb fighters of all time were Locche, Arguello, Pryor, Chavez, Pea Whittaker, Oscar, Cervantes, maybe, just maybe you could fit Tszyu in there.

One thing is for sure, the next greatest class is Tszyu, Hatton, Cotto, Floyd, Judah, Mitchell, MA Gonzalez, Torres, Witter, a very very deep division which featured a lot of very talented well-matched guys.

Judah went UP to 147 and won a title there. He won 4 rounds straight, including an un-called KD, versus Floyd Mayweather, before he unraveled mentally and still took Floyd the distance, even after Roger choked him out.

I think todays class of guys are just a cut below that class I mentioned above.

Maidana, Khan, Peterson, Bradley, Alexander are not on that level- not in terms of their ambitions, not in terms of their talent, not in terms of their broad public appeal.

Judah is probably the most susceptible of that bunch to Maidana's tactics but Maidana is probably the most susceptible of his own bunch to Judahs. And if Judah gets to tee off on him...well....

 

Agreed. It's not a foregone conclusion but I'd favour Judah by stoppage.

Just like I favoured khan by stoppage, grievously overlooking the fact the guy is totally feather fisted at this level. If he was even an average championship level puncher Maidana would have been stopped by the head shots he took, tough guy or not.

 

I agree generally with the point but IMHO both Hatton and Zoo were in a better class to the likes of Mitchell, Zab, Torres, Witter et al. There isn't a single one of them I''d pick to win many rounds off either guy at 140.

MTF

 

How the fuck is Khan not at least in the same class as Junior fucking Witter?? :: ::

God dammit Irish ::

 

no doubt, I donty disagree... its just as winnable and in a big way, for Judah

 

Because nobody ever waxed Witter and left him propped up against a ring post in 59 seconds.

Witter also won the WBC Light Welter title and it has to be said had lost most of his prime before his fights with Alexander and Bradley.

I never liked Witter but he kicked the shit out of a lot of the British and European scene also, something Khan, for some reason, got a free pass on.

 

I think Hatton and Tszyu were the pick of that bunch, and the difference between them and the likes of Gatti or Ward was very significant.

It just so happens they are contemporaries of the rest of that bunch and are also probably not quite as good as Cervantes, Chavez, Pryor.

 

I agree with those post.

 

Prime Witter beat Kotelnik by one point, Khan shut him out. Witter doesn't have a single victory on his record better than Maidana. If you think Witter was better than Khan (which is wrong) then fine, but to act like he's on a whole different level is ridiculous

 

Zab would knock that bum silly.

 

Witter did suck, pretty much always... other than that, I think Irish was spot on

 

Did Irish just put Tszyu and Mayweather on the same level as Torres, Witter and Gonzalez and everyone agreed!? :doh:

 

that wasnt how I read it

 

I'd pick Judah to stop him in one or two rounds.

 

what is prime judah?

 

A quick victory for Judah like SD suggests I could definitely envisage -Maidana is vulnerbale early, Judah is dangerous early. If maidana gets warmed up, I'd slightly favor a prime Judah to take a close but clear decision.

 

Apparently so...

MTF :dunno:

 

OK, let's slow down. Zab of 2010 doesn't waste any fighter worth a damn. He barely squeaked by Lucas Matthysse. the whole idea that he'd run shit at 140 was a push from Main Events that a few writers latched on to, of the belief that he was outside of his comfort zone at 147 and more in his element one division south.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand... I can see both fighters trading knockdowns and don't foresee this going to the cards, but oddly enough the fighting ending with Zab the last man standing.

I hate using the term 'puncher's chance' only because it's often used to disguise an otherwise mismatch, but it fits here because Maidana boasts the necessary equalizer. However, he's just a bit too vulnerable for my liking and as much of a waste of talent as Zab has been, I believe he'd find a way to close the show in this one.

 

zab has never looked good vs. an argentinian. weis couldnt punch, but he made things rough towards the end of their 10 rounder, baldomir (who also couldnt punch that hard) actually beat him, and that lucas m guy nearly beat him as well.

maidana is better than all three mentioned.

 

All that really says, though is that Witter boasted a better chin (or at least better defensive skills). I mean shit, Vivian Harris may very well be the biggest win of his career. Other than that, the most significant achievement of his career was keeping his name in headines as the guy Hatton didn't want to fight - and Hennessy's PR team deserves more credit than anyone else for that.

I agree that he was fairly used up by the time he got to Alexander. Bradley? He was past his optimal best, sure. But there's too great a gap of nothing in between the Judah loss and barely beating N'Dou and Kotelnik to suggest that he ever stood that much better of a chance against 2008 version of Bradley.

 

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