I just rewatched Roy vs Tarver ONE and scored it just for Reed

Round 1 Tarver 10-9
Round 2 Tarver 10-9
Round 3 10-10
Round 4 10-10
Round 5 Jones 10-9
Round 6 Jones 10-9
Round 7 Tarver 10-9
Round 8 Tarver 10-9
Round 9 Jones 10-9
Round 10 Tarver 10-9
Round 11 Jones 10-9
Round 12 Tarver 10-9


Antonio Tarver wins 116-114


To summarize I used to hate Roy when I first watched this fight and scored it for Tarver so because there was a possible bias there I re watched it now and to top it all off I like Roy now! Therefore no bias here. Fight basically went like this. Roy did his little faints a lot and landed an occasional body shot every 30 seconds and a rare lead right. THAT'S IT. Tarver on the other hand would force Roy to the ropes and lands a fast combo to head and body (sure some of it was blocked) but enough got through to out do whatever Roy did for most part. Roy was stunned in rounds 9 and 11 or 12 I forget. Going into Round 11 Roy's corner told him he needed those rounds BIG hence showing they knew he was behind and Roy attacked and had a big round in round 11 proving he also thought he needed those rounds. I think regardless of what version of Roy Tarver fought he would always be his daddy. He was just long and lanky enough with the counter puncher's style combined with his power to give Roy fits every time. People cried that Roy had to drop all this weight for this fight . How much did he drop exactly ? Didn't he go from 190 to 175 ? 15 pounds ? That's all ? really ? Don't fighters regularly drop 30,40 pounds before fights ? But okay even having said that, they re matched and to quote Tarver "You got any excuses tonight Roy ? " Guess he didn't and Tarver laid him out. Bottom line Tarver=Roy's daddy.

 

two even rounds? come on

 

Whatever it takes to have Tarver the victor.ld:

 

There should be more rounds scored even. And more rounds scored 10-8.



Generally I mean, not in this particular fight.....

 

I disagree. More even rounds maybe but 10-8 should only be scored in the event of a knockdown.

 

Dominant rounds where a guy puts a shit storm of hurt on the other should be differentiated from close but clear 2 way rounds. Especially in the context of fights where there are many of the first variety and only one or two of the former. And arbitrarily picking a winner in a razor close round just distorts the final card. Basically there have to be more tools in a judges box to properly represent the action.

And BTW, I don't think a KD should necessarily mean a 10-8 round at all, IMO a KD is just a point, pure and simple.

 

If a guy dominates a round without dropping his opponent he wins the round. I don't see the problem.

10-8 for having a guy on queer street is just people wanting to give rounds for excitements sake. That's not how scoring is supposed to work.

 

Please enlighten me which round you disagree with . The fight is on youtube and I have no problem going back and watching that round again to explain you why it was scored the way it was scored.

 

Who me ? Excuse me but I don't expect you to objectively score a fight involving Roy I on the other hand can and did since my name is not His_Tarverness

 

I'm convinced.

 

This discussion reminds me of Ayala-Adams I.

 

Jones won it fairly, 115-113 on my card.

Tarver had his chance, but failed. He got the job done the next time around, but not the first time. A mixture of Tarver choking it away and Jones doing good bodywork. Tarver just spent large amounts of time doing NOTHING in the middle of the ring but staring.

One of the most uncontroversial "controversial" decisions.

 

From what I remember, a lot of the "controversy" was from some of the crowd booing the decision...I remember that coming up in some of the reports, like Dan Rafael's in USA Today, I believe.

I don't remember that many people arguing Tarver won it clearly, there were some arguing he won, but it was small as far as I remember...the debate was more about whether it was a draw or for Jones.

 

1 - Roy Lands Lead Rights to the Head & Body for 3/4ths of the Round...Tarver Corners Roys & Lands a Flurry...A Counter Right from Roy Backs Tarver Up...ROY'S ROUND...

2 - Roy Lands to the Body but Misses to the Head...Tarver Flurries Well when Roy is On the ropes, Landing Some Good Left Crosses & Straight Lefts...TARVER'S ROUND...

3 - Lot of Posing & Feinting...Roy's Bodywork Carries the Round...Late, Roy Lands a Left Hook, Tarver Lands a Straight Left...ROY'S ROUND...

4 - Roy's Lead Right Tells the Story...He Lands to the Body Several Times & a Flurry of Rights to the Head...Tarver Does Next to NATHAN til the Last 20-30 Seconds of the Round...Tarver Corners Roy, but a Left Hook Makes him Retreat...

5 - Again, Roy's Bodywork Tells the Story...Roy is Also Countering Tarver's Southpaw Jab w/his Own Jab...McGuirt is Desperate btwn Rounds...ROY's ROUND...

6 - Perhaps Roy's BUSIEST Round....Roy Lands Leaping Rights & Lefts....Roy is Visibly Breathing from his Mouth Now....A Big Right from Roy Makes Tarver Retreat for the Remainder of the Round...More Desperation from McGuirt in the Corner...ROY'S ROUND...

7 - Tarver Comes Out Busy but Roy Answers w/his Own Flurry....Tarver Corners Roy & Rains about 15-20 UNANSWERED Shots to Roy's Body & Thru his Guard....Some Being Blocked by Roy's Arms & Glovs, Some Not....Roy Lands Some Lead Rights to the Head & Body Late...TARVER's ROUND...

8 - BIG Round for Tarver....He Drops Several Unanswered Flurries on Roy....Roy Lays on the Ropes, Taking Punishment, Not Unlike a Past Prime Ali...Roy Walks into a Big Left from Tarver, who Flurries the Rest of the Round....Roy's Left Eye is Now Bruised & Swollen...TARVER's ROUND...

9 - Roy Outworks Tarver, Landing Lead, Leaping Lefts, Rights & Hard Bodyshots for Most of the Round....Tarver Lands a Left then Flurries Late, as Roy is Against the Ropes...Tough Round to Score but Edge to Tarver...TARVER's ROUND...

10 - Tarver Lands a Big Left Cross & a Couple Follow-Up Left Hooks....He Then Flurries on Roy as he's Against the Ropes...Roy's Taking the Shots Well & is Now Standing his Ground, Firing Back...Even Leaping in w/Shots as he Did Earlier in the Fight....Both Appear to Take the 2nd Half of the Round Off...Btwn Rounds, Coach Merk Tells Roy "Gimme These Last 2 Rounds BIG!"...TARVER's ROUND...

11 - Roy Responds to Merk's Advice with a Barrage of Left & Rights....Roy is Flat-Footed, Right in Front of Tarver, Winging Away...Tarver Comes Back w/a Flurry, as he Corners Roy....Roy Responds w/Leaping Lead Rights to the Head & Body....Probably Roy's Best Round of the Fight...McGuirt Tells Tarver, "I Need this Last Round!"...ROY'S ROUND...

12 - Tarver Flurries Early, as Roy is on the Ropes....Roy Immediately Responds with a Flurry of his Own....Roy's Bodyshots & Leaping, Lead Rights Carries the Rest of the Round....

Rounds 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11 & 12 to Roy...Rounds 2, 7, 8, 9 and 10 to Tarver...


Unfortunately, the CROWD'S RESPONSE to the Verdict has Become the Overriding Theme....Regardless, it's Clear that Tarver DID NOT Win...Even Articles that Call the Decision "Unpopular" REFRAIN from Saying Tarver Actually BEAT Roy....Tarver Even Calls Roy "Champ", as they're Face to Face After the Fight....

The Majority of the Fight was Spent in Ring Center & Tarver Could Do NATHAN w/Roy There....Roy's Bodyshots & Lead Right Hands Landed @ Will....Tarver's Moments Came when Roy was on the Ropes, but those Moments were Tooooo INFREQUENT....Either/Or in the Last 20-30 Seconds of a Round or 1nce Per Round....

Roy Eliminated Tarver's Southpaw Jabs w/Counters of his Own...Tarver Does All of his Mid-Ring Fighting Behind his Jab, so By Negating that Punch, Roy Significantly Impacted Tarver's Workrate & Effectiveness....Obviously, Tarver Got the Better of Things when Roy was on the Ropes but there WEREN'T Enough of those Moments to Win the Fight for him....After 6 Rounds, Roy was AHEAD 5-1....Giving Tarver Rounds 7-10, he was Still BEHIND Prior to Rounds 11 & 12 Or AT BEST Even...Tarver Clearly LOST Rounds 11 & 12...

Case Closed, Roy Jones WON that Fight...

REED:hammert:

 

Ridiculous Scorecard...There's NOfuckingWAY Rounds 3 & 4 were EVEN....So Basically, THE ONLY Way U Can Justify your Lame, Unfounded Opinion is w/a HISTORICALLY BAD Scorecard???::...

U've NEVER EVER Been a Roy Jones Fan...Hell, U Still REGULARLY Call him 'Roid", so SPARE REED the "I Actually LIKE Roy Now" Routine, because U DON'T...

Instead of JUST Clinging to what Merk Told Roy, Why Not Comment on McGuirt Telling Tarver "I NEED This Last Round!", Prior to the 12th...N EVERY Possible Way, U're Being 1-Sided about this...Even @ Gunpoint U COULDN"T Mask your Bias AGAINST Roy Jones...

As for How Much he Had to Lose, Roy Lost 25 Pounds of MUSCLE in like a 4-5 Week Span...Factor in that Roy was MID 30's @ the Time & that's QUITE a Task...Nonetheless, he WON the Fight...



REED:hammert:

 

REED REED's Description of the Round, RE-Watch the Round & There's your Answer....



REED:kidcool:

 

Roy was so dominant that if a round was close, it would be scored for his opponent. THAT is why Tarver got a draw on one card. It was an 8-4 fight.

 

Interesting that RJJ never rematch Johnson, but rematched Tarver not once, but twice.

Johnson proved to be the ultimate dominator of RJJ.

 

I do like Roy and rounds 3-4 were in fact very close. I could see Roy winning round 4 but everything else i posted in my original post will remain the way it is. Tarver won 6-4-2 or in a worst case scenario 6-5-1

 

I agree somewhat with this - someone was having a modicum of success against RJJ, and the judges pissed their pants.

 

Roy did not win round 1........

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So What U're Saying is, Everything Else U Posted will Remain RIDICULOUS....Got It!!!!...Was it Yesterday or the Day Prior that U LAST Referred to the Man as 'Roid'???...But TODAY U "Like" him All of a Sudden???:shit:....



REED:hammert:

 

I've liked him for a couple of years now. With age he became a lot more humble and took on all comers. And if you disagree with my scoring it's cool you're entitled to your opinion.

 

He controlled most of the round...landed the lead rights to the body and head...Tarver looked more aggressive in the last 30 seconds with that one left hand and then the body shots..but Roy countered back with a right of his own.....

ROUND 1: JONES...