<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> In the end, does this discussion really have any bearing on anything at all? If God does exist - what impact does he have, off wherever he is? I can't imagine for an instant that he would pay even the slightest attention to our human fumblings and bumblings. Of course, humankind being the supremely arrogant types that we are, place ourselves at the centre and forefront of his attentions. After all, it took him only about 13 billion years to get around to making us. Obviously we're not his greatest concern, one would think. And of course, if he didn't exist, it wouldn't matter either. It'd be a silly semantic argument between people with too much time or brainpower on their hands which would have the same impact as a speck of dirt in the sea. Either way, the argument has no impact on us aside from getting people pissed off and worked up about something which, in no way shape or form, can we either prove or disprove. The existence of God is basically a human-created paradox. All it comes down to is belief. In the end, there are better and more important things to worry about - such as why we still feel the need to kill each other, cause pain to each other, and generally act like fucks all around the world. These sorts of discussions are much more valuable than theological or existential debates. But, that's my dumb take on things. [/b][/quote] I can't believe you have 647 posts and I don't remember ever talking to you. You have some good things to say, my friend. This is the second post of yours I've seen in the last few minutes. Smart cat, I like that. Keep up the good work.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> In the end, does this discussion really have any bearing on anything at all? If God does exist - what impact does he have, off wherever he is? I can't imagine for an instant that he would pay even the slightest attention to our human fumblings and bumblings. Of course, humankind being the supremely arrogant types that we are, place ourselves at the centre and forefront of his attentions. After all, it took him only about 13 billion years to get around to making us. Obviously we're not his greatest concern, one would think. And of course, if he didn't exist, it wouldn't matter either. It'd be a silly semantic argument between people with too much time or brainpower on their hands which would have the same impact as a speck of dirt in the sea. Either way, the argument has no impact on us aside from getting people pissed off and worked up about something which, in no way shape or form, can we either prove or disprove. The existence of God is basically a human-created paradox. All it comes down to is belief. In the end, there are better and more important things to worry about - such as why we still feel the need to kill each other, cause pain to each other, and generally act like fucks all around the world. These sorts of discussions are much more valuable than theological or existential debates. But, that's my dumb take on things. [/b][/quote] Wise words. We have been through this many times in the past so now I'll just say my opinion in short that there can be a creator kind of god, it its difficult to explain the existense of universe without accepting one. But I can't see how there could be a God with personality, that just doesn't fit in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> In the end, does this discussion really have any bearing on anything at all? If God does exist - what impact does he have, off wherever he is? I can't imagine for an instant that he would pay even the slightest attention to our human fumblings and bumblings. Of course, humankind being the supremely arrogant types that we are, place ourselves at the centre and forefront of his attentions. After all, it took him only about 13 billion years to get around to making us. Obviously we're not his greatest concern, one would think. And of course, if he didn't exist, it wouldn't matter either. It'd be a silly semantic argument between people with too much time or brainpower on their hands which would have the same impact as a speck of dirt in the sea. Either way, the argument has no impact on us aside from getting people pissed off and worked up about something which, in no way shape or form, can we either prove or disprove. The existence of God is basically a human-created paradox. All it comes down to is belief. In the end, there are better and more important things to worry about - such as why we still feel the need to kill each other, cause pain to each other, and generally act like fucks all around the world. These sorts of discussions are much more valuable than theological or existential debates. But, that's my dumb take on things. [/b][/quote] You still taking photos dude? Keen to see some more.
its illogical for something to come out of nothing yet its totally logical that theres an old man who lives in the sky and magically makes planets and the cosmos come flying out of his ass i see your point
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> its illogical for something to come out of nothing yet its totally logical that theres an old man who lives in the sky and magically makes planets and the cosmos come flying out of his ass i see your point [/b][/quote] threads about things like this go no place
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> its illogical for something to come out of nothing yet its totally logical that theres an old man who lives in the sky and magically makes planets and the cosmos come flying out of his ass i see your point [/b][/quote] threads about things like this go no place [/b][/quote] where is esk when you need him?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> its illogical for something to come out of nothing yet its totally logical that theres an old man who lives in the sky and magically makes planets and the cosmos come flying out of his ass i see your point [/b][/quote] threads about things like this go no place [/b][/quote] where is esk when you need him? [/b][/quote] gone..........forever
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] How do you figure? This is the most ignorant statement that I have read so far. Humans were not here forever. Nothing that changes was. Something had to create us....it takes intelligence to produce intelligence.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> its illogical for something to come out of nothing yet its totally logical that theres an old man who lives in the sky and magically makes planets and the cosmos come flying out of his ass i see your point [/b][/quote] You are assuming that God is an old man. Who said that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> In the end, does this discussion really have any bearing on anything at all? If God does exist - what impact does he have, off wherever he is? I can't imagine for an instant that he would pay even the slightest attention to our human fumblings and bumblings. Of course, humankind being the supremely arrogant types that we are, place ourselves at the centre and forefront of his attentions. After all, it took him only about 13 billion years to get around to making us. Obviously we're not his greatest concern, one would think. And of course, if he didn't exist, it wouldn't matter either. It'd be a silly semantic argument between people with too much time or brainpower on their hands which would have the same impact as a speck of dirt in the sea. Either way, the argument has no impact on us aside from getting people pissed off and worked up about something which, in no way shape or form, can we either prove or disprove. The existence of God is basically a human-created paradox. All it comes down to is belief. In the end, there are better and more important things to worry about - such as why we still feel the need to kill each other, cause pain to each other, and generally act like fucks all around the world. These sorts of discussions are much more valuable than theological or existential debates. But, that's my dumb take on things. [/b][/quote] Nonsense! The discussion of where we came from and consequently where we are going is of central importance. You just written a paragraphed cliche designed to get some congratulations...but not really well thought out, and certainly doesn't impress me. The Sly One has Spoken!!
PROPHECY ..... In the last days many will claim "There is no God" Darwin .... concluded that with the complexity of such details of the body as the human eye, it is foolish to think this or we simply evolved by chance ... conclusion ... there must be a God
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Either way to say 100% for sure weather there IS OR ISN'T a "creator" of some sort is ignorant. [/b][/quote] By the way, I agree with you completely on this. [/b][/quote] Amen :5000:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Less than 100 years ago around 1926 or so the first national electric grid was in place We didn't have TV until '36 or so. We didn't have the internet really everywhere 15 years ago 200 years is a LONG time! A LOT has happened! To say we are not learning is silly. We now understand the brain better than ever. I think as science advances devout religious people will also fade. Science is proving more and more. I have no doubt that we WILL be able to capture dreams on silicon at some point. We are able to monitor the Brain in ways we could never dream of There is often talk of 19th century legislation meant to close the Patent Office because everything had been invented! We at some point thought there was NOTHING that we didn't have! We have no concept of what is to come. Either way to say 100% for sure weather there IS OR ISN'T a "creator" of some sort is ignorant. [/b][/quote] There is more information around sure. Science as a whole knows way more - I am talking about individual, ordinary people. We don't need to think anymore. How many kids can add up or do long multiplication or division without a calculator? You used to have to know that stuff, just to get by in life or you'd be considered educationally subnormal. It won't be long before people on the whole won't be able to write coherent sentences. Already, the Internet, text messages and the like are eroding the basics of grammar and meaning. It might not seem like a big deal at the moment, but I know plenty of kids who think that the shorthand rubbish they send on their mobile phones will also do for writing letters to the wider world in general. Google searches, instant news and media opinion, mean that a lot of people don't ever really get around to learning the basics of anything. They take information out of context and don't have the fundamental educational tools to put it into a proper perspective, examine it, and arrive at their own considered conclusions. There is a huge difference between knowledge and understanding and the former is generally pretty dry and useless without a healthy dose of the latter. Even at this stage if you suddenly took away the average eighteen year old's Internet Connection, Calculator and Spell checker and dumped him back in the Fifties, he'd be considered a dunce. Yeah, he'd be able to waffle about computers, Video Games, DVD’s or whatever, but he'd never in his life have a clue as how to go about building one. Hell, he wouldn't even be able to use a simple formula to calculate the power consumption of a light bulb. I shudder to think what the next twenty years will produce, let alone the next two hundred... [/b][/quote] Well, I agree with you too, to a point. People are losing skills such as "mental" math. It's ironic in a way that by getting "smarter" with technology it is making us "dumber" in a way. It's just so easy to get information that no one retains it. Also I want to say that I'm all for God. Ironically I love going to church somtimes, black churches mostly. I love the gospel singing. It really is a nice thing and positive so it's good no matter what.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] How do you figure? This is the most ignorant statement that I have read so far. Humans were not here forever. Nothing that changes was. Something had to create us....it takes intelligence to produce intelligence. [/b][/quote] We created the concept of GOD to answer the unanswerable. do you see?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] How do you figure? This is the most ignorant statement that I have read so far. Humans were not here forever. Nothing that changes was. Something had to create us....it takes intelligence to produce intelligence. [/b][/quote] We created the concept of GOD to answer the unanswerable. do you see? [/b][/quote] "it takes intelligence to produce intelligence" It's like the old "what came first, the chicken or the egg" There must have been "intelligence" to Create "the CReator" then ? Or did he just appear and he's the only one allowed to?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> We created the concept of GOD to answer the unanswerable. do you see? [/b][/quote] I agree(you too LOK), and all the intricacies of different religion, is just a kind of cultural poetry. Idea of God being a man with a beard and a glow, and creating man in his image, is just poetry. Like in Four Season 'La donna es mobile' saying the woman is fickle, referring to the change of seasons. This man doesnt exist, literally, but hes a symbol of what DOES, and in that way, he does exist. I think when people are down, they start to pin their hopes on their God, and it becomes something different. Something desperate and senseless. Thats where the poetry is lost. In the end, theres nothing but to live well, as far as Im concerned.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] HUMAN is a God invention.
I personally dont consider science higher than religion, in fact Id argue its lower. Its not so much poetry as it is pornography. Its a less graceful way to understand the world, and also incomplete. Science is a long ways from covering what religion covers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God is a HUMAN invention. [/b][/quote] How do you figure? This is the most ignorant statement that I have read so far. Humans were not here forever. Nothing that changes was. Something had to create us....it takes intelligence to produce intelligence. [/b][/quote] god might be a "Human invention" alot of people believe the "myth" of god was created by some one to controll out of controll humans by striking fear into their eyes..by basically saying if u do this and this wrong u go to hell
:wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> :wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko: [/b][/quote] smoke & mirrors
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> PROPHECY ..... In the last days many will claim "There is no God" Darwin .... concluded that with the complexity of such details of the body as the human eye, it is foolish to think this or we simply evolved by chance ... conclusion ... there must be a God [/b][/quote] Did you pay Darwin to say that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> :wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko: [/b][/quote] the bible is not the oldest recorded history
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I think he meant the oldest recorded "history" of an established religion. Or perhaps he didn't... [/b][/quote] Actually, Freddy, parts of some of the Hindu holy writings (Upanashads) are older than the Bible.
And yes, God exists. How do I know? 'Cause my ex-wife was a demon from hell, and if demons exist, then God exists. That's the only good thing that creature from Hell ever accomplished - confirming that God exists. :YeahRight:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I think he meant the oldest recorded "history" of an established religion. Or perhaps he didn't... [/b][/quote] Actually, Freddy, parts of some of the Hindu holy writings (Upanashads) are older than the Bible. [/b][/quote] Really? Is that including the oldest sections of the Old Testament? As History is your field, I will defer to your wisdom on this one Hairyson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> :wacko: Well ..... IF you believe the oldest recorded history , the Bible ..... man used to actually talk to God. Archaeologists use the Bible on a regular basis for fact finding and dig locations , which has always proven to be accurate ... so atleast THAT part is not made up. :wacko: [/b][/quote] Typical Western ignorance.
The question should not be whether God exist or not, but rather how you would define God. Anyone who claims God does not exist are simply closed-minded and blinded by their rejection of the religious definition of a God. Anyone who claims to know God for sure like most religion do are also closed-minded and blinded by their pride. I think the simpliest general definition of a God is the best way to define it. To try and make God into something personal like a being or anything tangible is already going against its nature. God is merely the first cause, the eternal force behind existance and non-existance. We should just leave it as that. The world would be a better place if people would stop fighting over who's God is the right God. People need to focus more on improving oneself for the better good of all humanity through respect, love, and goodness to all.
