Yup Floyd ran from Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya, Hatton and Mosley. He would certainly also run from the terrifying Ayala.
They are asking Floyd to move up to 154 here. If the thread say @ 147 they I would say sure he would fight him.
In boxing....Age aint nuth'n but a number Hopkins at 40+ was beating up the likes of Tarver and Pavlik. Those "senior citizens", in their previous fights, had EASILY destroyed Margarito and Mayorga respectively (one sided brutal beatdowns)...something guys like Cotto, Cintron and Forrest couldn't do.
Mosley has been a past it fighter for a good 5 years now the fact that he beat up a guy who's entire run of success is now open to much doubt and who was a willing target to begin with is an indication of that fighters obvious limitations as much as it is any indication of quality on Mosley's part... everyone going in to that fight knew that Mosley would be easy pickings for Mayweather, with the exception of one or two wishful guys who hoped Mayweather would get beaten and a handful of floyd apologists like yourself who felt the need to make Mosley into the fighter of 10 years ago as for Hoya, beating Mayorga is hardly an incredible accomplishment, considering that Felix "I-Robot" Trinidad had already done the exact same thing... Bringing up Cotto and Forrest means very little to me, other than that both of them had already defeated Mosley eons before Floyd ever faced him... Cintron??? come on, Cintron is the worst fighter anyone has ever seen on TV more than twice... you are grasping at straws here those wins, especially Mosley, are to be EXPECTED, thy arent exceptional
We haven't really seen Floyd fight at 154, aside from when he came in at 148 against an old DLH. Assuming weight is no issue, I'd take Floyd by UD. Mayweather "JUST" beat DLH? Were you watching that fight with Lampley Goggles on? I had that fight 9-3, wasn't a close fight at all. The judges were on crack.
Wrong. I said Floyd would DOMINATE Shane and he did. You said, and I quote "If Floyd is as good as you make him out to be then he should beat Shane 11-1, but he wont". Guess what? He did. Therefore YOU saw Shane as more of a threat than I did. No IFs, no BUTs. Admit your fault and I shall forgive you.
I brought up Cotto and Forrest because both were stopped by Margartio and Mayorga respectively who were in turn stopped by Mosley and De La Hoya respectively....in their fights just prior to facing Floyd. All this means that Floyd took on worthy challenges at the time and only historical revisionism would change that.
he was very nearly stopped in the second round, he lost at the very least two rounds in the fight, I'd say I was right on the money and my prediction said more about how shitty Mosley is right now than how fantastic Floyd is you are here trying to make a victory over Mosley into a big deal when you yourself predicted a whitewash
Mayorga stopped Forrest 100 years before he fought DLH, its totally irrelevant to this discussion and it ignores the fact that Mayorga had already been annihlated by Trinidad Margarito's entire run is open to serious questions, including his biggest win-Cotto, so using him as a barometer is highly suspect Floyd took on hand-picked big names
7-5 I had... were you wearing Kellerman goggles? Mayweather's performance was hardly impressive in that fight, considering the fact that DLH bared little resemblance to his prime
I think you're both right. 9-3 seems a bit wide, but it's fair to say that Oscar was given way too much credit by anyone who thought he won. But at the same time, it was proof enough that I'd never again want to see Floyd fight at that weight, and certainly not against anyone with perceived punching power.
I'm not wrong, 116-112 was my fight night scorecard :: ... I just never argued against 115-113. 117-111 seems a bit wide, but I guess if I bothered to watch the fight ever again, I might be able to spot one more round where Oscar didn't do as much as I thought.
exactly... and I agree Hoya was given a lot of undeserved credit for meaningless flurries when Mayweather was inactive
It was really funny when Stafford said Mosley was "slightly past prime" going into the Mayweather fight.
It's not my fault you say stupid things on a regular basis. Which includes BOTH your Mosley Slightly Past Prime comment and this most recent post from you. As you were...
What's not fair about the Floyd-Shane fight is that Shane looked anything but past-prime when he beat the crap out of Margarito. THAT led quite a few people to believe that the Floyd fight would be more competitive than it was. Others saw it as Shane coming off of a 16-month layoff, and that historically he's never fought well when inactive for more than a few months. The Cotto fight was probably the lone exception. Shane's a tough guy to read even in the twilight of his career. He looked like shit against Mayorga when everyone expected a wipeout, but then four month later destroys Margarito when most expected him to lose big. It's honestly a shame that he wasn't given a chance to cash in on that Margarito win against either Pac or Floyd (or even a Cotto rematch) at anytime in '09.
I also would have liked to see Shane get a shot at either Floyd or Pac right after the Margarito fight. I've never thought all that much of Margarito, but Shane looked good against him. But when the Mayweather fight actually took place, my take on it was that a 38 year old fighter coming off a 16 month layoff wasn't what I would consider "slightly past prime" and I didn't see it as much of a contest. Some folks DID say that Shane looked good in his last fight and used that as the basis for the fight being competitive, but most of them chose to ignore both Mosley's age and extra long layoff at the same time. It IS a shame Mosely couldn't get a shot at Mayweather until 16 months after the Margarito fight and Pac is just getting around to fighting him in May.
What I'm afraid to say is that the Margarito who beat the shit out of Cotto may have beaten Mosley and Pacquiao. In other words, with his hand-wraps, it's not out of the question that Margarito wins those fights. What I don't understand is how he lost to Williams - I think it was due primarily to William's height advantage, allowing him the ability to get out of harm's way even when he was stunned by Margarito's plaster.
some of that is style too... think about it, Margarito was a guy who relied on pressure and volume as much as anything... Williams, a taller guy with faster hands, relied on volume as well, its sort of the irresistable force/immovable object thing... I think Margarito found himself in the unique position of facing someone he couldnt outwork and who presented him with something he was not familar with- a height disadvantage
