1991 George Foreman vs. 2003 Roy Jones Jr.

In theory, you would think if Tommy Morrison would be able to out-box George, then Superman Roy Jones should as well, but then again, Roy doesn't have half the power Morrison does... who wins this fight?

 

Roy could win this, but all George has to do is get him good once and the fight is his... thats how powerful he was, even when old

 

Foreman KO 7.

 

2003? Had Roy been KO'd as yet? If not...Roy wins this one IMO. If so...George gets him outta there around 7.

 

I'm not sure I understand your reasoning here Sly. How'd you mean?

 

Roy outboxes George more easily than he did Ruiz. george was far too slow for Roy. Roy still had his reflexes....george never would have touched him with two shots...a jab here and there but would have missed with the right hand all night.

 

Pre-(move back down to 175lbs from heavweight) Roy would have beaten Foreman on a decision. Old fat Foreman=Too slow. Post-Tarver 2 TKFO Roy would have eventually fell victim to George.

 

Roy beats him easily. Even Michael Moorer was easily outboxing Foreman before the big punch.

 

Moorer had far more power to discourage Foreman with. Also that fight was 3 years later. 3 years in your 40s is significant.

 

Not much more, and not as if Moorer was going to hurt George.

He just couldn't find his range, which he really wouldn't be able to do against Jones.

 

Right. Foreman respected Moorer's punch, & was a little older. I doubt he would have respected anything Jones --- who probably wouldn't even sit on his already-insufficient punches anyway --- threw at him. One thing Foreman could do, too, which Ruiz could not, was effectively apply pressure, with a view toward discouraging his man.

It would be an amusing fight to watch. Jones would run for dear life, & Foreman would stalk, often veering between effective & hopeless. Who knows?

 

No one as slow of foot as The Real Meal can pressure Jones.

And people are also acting like Jones didn't have one punch knockout power in both hands. While that doesn't necessarily translate to HW, it doesn't leave him much far behind Moorer, who I recall was a natural LW himself.

 

Moorer had fully-grown into Heavyweight --- Jones was just an imitation of that against Ruiz.

 

Moorer was a far bigger raw puncher at 175lb than Jones. And more importantly and rarely he carried an unusually big % of that pop to heavy.

And watch the tapes before you call me crazy, but I don't think Ruiz had quicker feet than the Foreman that Holyfield fought at all.

Basically...... Foreman is gonna land & he's gonna put Jones to sleep

 

I don't think so.

And the Foreman that fought Holyfeild plodded around the ring and got outboxed by another non-puncher. It doesn't take a lot of power to outbox Foreman. This type of reasoning is pretty much nonsense.

Foreman also didn't have the stamina to waste a bunch of punches on Jones, and he'd be hitting air all night.

Jones Ruiz-esque EASY UD.

 

Fair enough. Maybe, you're right. I'd put my money on Foreman, but it's an interesting fight.

 

had he ever been hit by GEORGE FOREMAN?

just because Roy jones had never at this point been KOd by middleweight-light heavyweight opposition doesnt mean GEORGE FOREMAN couldnt hurt him

thats like saying 1989 Julio Cesar Chavez would go the full 12 with Bob Foster since he'd never been off his feet

 

No, and even at the post-fight conference, he still would not have been hit by George Foreman.

 

Jones would run, and run and run, but eventually Foreman catches him and the fight is over. Foreman by K0.

 

1991 George Foreman is a lot more fearsome a foe than John Ruiz and hes not the type to respect a guy half his size who does not hit with a lot of power

Foreman WOULD land at some point and it would be a lot more devastating than anything Ruiz managed

 

Only in Mythical Matchups.

In reality that happened one time...a miracle punch after being outclassed for 10 rounds.

All the other times Foreman lost to lesser fighters, non-punchers and punchers alike. None as quick or defensively adept as Jones.

Matter of fact, just about any type of fight where the fighter has a "punchers chance", about 90% of the time he loses.

Yet somehow the 5 or 6 times it's happened in boxing history has leads us all to picking the puncher 100% of the time in MM. No matter how slow, or how drastic the speed and skill advantage.

It's worse than the white fighter getting stopped on cuts gag...

 

I guess a guy like Chris Byrd shouldve never won a fight ever.

Afterall no one would respect his power and people would eventually land

He by no means could've beaten a fighter like David Tua. Because you know Tua had big power and Byrd didn't. The guy with power always wins.

 

Tua & Byrd were not four natural weightclasses apart, mind.

 

Indeed.

Byrd's ideal fighting weight was probably 190, Tua 220.

Foreman's ideal fighting weight was probably 235, Jones 170.

30 vs 65lb approximate natural disparity in frame size.

Not to mention Byrd having a 4" height advantage, Jones a 5" disadvantage.

I understand the basic point of the comparison and it's a decent one, but this is a quite different fight, I think. Not least because Tua was a one handed fighter fighting a southpaw, which was an enormous advantage in itself for Byrd that Jones wouldn't enjoy against Foreman.

For the record I think Jones would beat Tua, too.

 

I kinda think Jones wins. The more I think about it, and just how slow George was by that time, the more I struggle to see him landing the single decent shot he needs to win this.

Jones would have to basically run for his life and I think he was still capable in 2003. Just.

MTF :dunno:

 

Those sneaky uppercuts were still pretty quick on the draw in 91. He still had his trigger finger, which I think he'd lost, even by 94. That's what gets Jones, I think. It'd only take one.

Jones has a 30% chance of walking the tightrope though, I'm not saying it's a formality. Jones-prime Mike is a formality, here he has a chance.

 

Tua was also faster of foot and much faster of hand than The Real Meal.

What people fail to see that Old George was pretty much a terrible fighter. He lost every meaningful fight he had and won a fight that he was losing every second of only off of a slow, miracle straight right that it purplexes me that it even hit Moorer.

Byrd has made 175, so calling him a non-existant weight class is a bit of stretch, and the weight really is irrelevent, Jones hits much harder than Byrd. So that faulty argument is fairly exposed.

Foreman can't catch a cold against Jones. There are very few fighters that Id disregard so much that Id pick them to lose against The Real Meal. Jones, being one of he more elusive fighters ever, certainly does not lose to him..

 

I don't think George would be able to land anything of substance in this fight. George hit like his fists were made of concrete but he was also slow at this point. Make no mistake, George WOULD respect the speed and evasive ability of Jones. Roy isn't going to hurt George but I think he'd be defensively minded enough to outpoint George in a fight which would be exciting while it happened but boring to watch later on.

Part of me still think the Moorer fight was a dive. I've watched it many, many times and it's just the feeling I come away with.

 

The punch was extremely slow, so it's crossed my mind as well. I still don't see any reason that really landed. It wasn't set up, it was a extremely slow one-two that hit Moorer who just sat there and didn't react at all.

Something like that hitting Jones is laughable to me.

Even Tarver, who KOd Jones, was known for his hand speed, and just caught Jones moving the wrong way. Slow ass Foreman isn't doing shit. Foreman at that stage of his career, was going to distance with bums, guys who just go in the ring to lose to him. He never deserved the title shot to begin with, he got it based on his reputation.

 

Foreman KO 4

There is a reason why Roy only fought once at heavyweight and never came back.