Americas Missing Middlweights!!!!

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"There are six titleholders masquerading as middleweight champions and one true World Middleweight Champion in The Ring magazine-recognized Sergio Martinez. Yes, six, because the WBA bestowed their trinkets upon Felix Sturm, Gennady Golovkin and Hassan N’Jikam. The WBC is miserly by comparison, only recognizing two men in Sebastian Zbik and Sergio Martinez. The un-magnificent seven, Martinez excluded, is rounded out by the WBO’s Dmitry Pirog and the IBF’s Sebastian Sylvester. As shocking as having seven world champions is that none of the titleholders is American. Has another weight class slipped from the grasp of American fists and could it remain out reach as with the heavyweights?"

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Basketball dudes, fucking Basketball.

 

There are only six American titleholders in total.

Cunningham (IBF-190)
Cloud (IBF-175)
Ward (WBA-168)
Bundrage (IBF-154)
Alexander (WBC- 140)
Bradley (WBO-140)

 

How does one separate the dancer........from the dance?

Cunningham is at 200, surely?

They are talking about that Texan short-arse, Kirkland, making it at 160. I can't see how, he can't hit for shit at 154, never mind 160.

 

This obsession with being anti-American (& that's exactly as it comes across) doesn't become you, Irish.

 

Irish, deep breaths...

 

But, but Bert Sugar said...

:Steve-Dave/MMA:

 

I am not Anti-American. In the least.

 

.......Actually, Bertrand, he of the defunct Fight Game magazine {he never started Basketball Game magazine, despite the burgeoning demand} has had said little to nothing of the MW division.

 

I'll need them. Holding ones breath waiting for Uncle Sam to get his ass in gear looks every inch the long wait.

 

Which country have you adopted this week "Irish", Argentina?

As long as they look like they've got white skin, right?

 

No.....I got the feeling for........Burkina Faso. This week, I have been mostly feeling Burkina Faso.

 

I think you're a smart man & a keen observer, but I think you're focus is bitterly anti-American. That's just the way it comes across. It feels like you take every opportunity which comes to you (or you manufacture them) to try to make some sort of point about rubbing America's nose in the success of the Klitschkos, for one thing.

I don't know, Irish. No one knows you better than you, & I'm not anyone to tell you (or anyone) how to go about things, but speaking for myself, I find it hard reading sometimes. Maybe I just have an underlying fondess for the States, being so close to my heart & such a part of me, but I can't help feeling you have a uge axe to grind against all things American.

 

All of these guys would get mollywopped by a pre-coke Mike Nunn (post-coke is a different story)

 

I am pro America. I just feel America is abandoning its objective roots. It is abandoning rigour and replacing it with fallacy and bullshit and agenda.

 

This is what you need to listen to......<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oTf6NK0wsiA" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

America is retreating into horseshit and bullshit and mysticism and make-belief and half-truths.

 

All the best middleweights are playing basketball and football......no wait...they're too small for that shit!! So where are the best middleweights at ? Rapping ?

 

Is the claim that there aren't guys 5'9 and shorter playing big time college and professional sports in the US?

If so, someone didn't tell that Warrick Dunn and all those running backs like Maurice Jones-Drew that have entered the NFL since him.

Someone should tell Jacquizz Rodgers before he leaves Oregon State.

 

It was sheer arrogance the way American scribes and American posters in general acted about the international flavour of the heavyweight division, it's like me screaming to the English,.. "All our cricketers are losing interest and are off playing rugby League now!,..if they weren't ....WE'D FUCKEN ANNIHILATE YOU, YOU RACISTS!!!!" ... and then expecting to be immune from criticism for that little egotistical, supremecist outburst? :scared:

 

I am pro America, but I've never seen any objective roots that can be abandoned. Fallacy, bullshit, and agenda have been part of the American way my entire life. There are plenty of exceptions in all areas, but not many when it comes to boxing it seems.

 

Is, not was.

Unless they are right. I'm not convinced this heavyweight era is as weak as most Americans claim and seemingly want it to be, but I don't know.

I will say this...it is better now than it was when we had Byrd, Ruiz, Brewster, and Rahman holding belts around 2005. It is far better than that American-led parade of relative shit. But once the eastern euros took over and dominated the era became crap.

 

True, I still remember when there were celebrations because it was percieved that Rahman "chased Vitali into retirement" ,..and Don King took control of the division.

 

Pirog is a bloody good fighter

 

What's this 'Groves' stuff I've been hearing about Degale mate?.. Is 'Groves' a rival prospect in the same division?

 

The guys holding the belts are better. The division itself is just as putrid.

 

Yea mate, George Groves.He's from the same part of town and he fought out of the same amateur club as DeGale (Dale Youth) and has a dodgy decision amateur win over Chunky. They moved clubs and fell out and both turned pro around the same time. Groves is the current commonwealth champion in the same division and has basically built his whole career off that win in the ams. Hes unbeaten but got floored and nearly stopped in his last fight, Chunky would batter him in the pros which is why hes gone quiet whenever Warren and DeGale have called his bluff. He's trained and managed by that bellend Adam Booth.

 

come now, let's not be modest

 

Adam Booth ah yes, I know the one, he'll be played by Daniel Day Lewis in the 2012 film 'Destiny Denied' the story of the Hayemaker. I have seen Cleverly though,.. who wins out of him and Degale? ,.. was Cleverly's last fight an off night, or was he more or less exposed to some degree?

 

The point's just that they aren't boxing anymore. Some might be spending their teens playing football or basketball instead or they might not. Ultimately irrelevant. The only bottom line is that the same numbers aren't walking through the doors of boxing gyms. It's a simple point that Irish obstinately refuses to understand, preferring to amuse himself straw manning it with this annoying schtick of his.

 

A bit of both to be honest with you mate. He didn't look at his best but there were also some big stylistic flaws exposed in his game. A slick boxer who won't stand and engage will pose major problems for him. He is world class though, I'd pick him to beat Pascal if they fought tomorrow for example. Right now he's probably a little too experienced for DeGale but in a years time I'd pick Chunky, no question. Too much of an all-rounder who lives off picking shots through the smallest gaps, and Cleverly leaves MANY gaps.

"Destiny Denied" :: the sad thing is I can actually see that being made!

 

Not that it makes the argument for the American boxing scene any stronger, but it's actually seven - Andre Berto still has a belt as far as I know.