....the bums that Ricky Hatton was fighting before and after Tszyu but not including Mayweather/Pacquaio/Tszyu/Malignaggi. 1. Sucre Ray Oliveira: Khan gets the Petersen treatment only worse. Hatton probably hits far harder than Khan in real terms, and he needed 11 rounds or so to beat Oliveira down. Can't see Khan do a damned thing with even that version of Ray Oliveira. 2.Jose Luis Castillo: Regarding the version of Castillo that Hatton fought, mentally and physical-wise, I think, blasphemy or not, that Khan could win if he stuck to a game-plan that involved moving and jabbing a lot. Castillo- that Castillo- especially at 140, might well get the Kotelnik treatment. 3. Ben Tackie: Khan can win here. Tackie was slow and could and should be outmoved and outsped by Khan. Probably in Khan's peoples interest to keep this to a 10 round fight. Khans people would know they aren't stopping Ben, so Amir would stick to shoe-shining and would get a unanimous decision. 4.Carlos Maussa: I can't see Khan losing. Khan unanimous decision. 5. Eamon Magee: I think Khan could get very rudely surprised here. Magee was a good underrated fighter, and really should have made more of his career than he did. Guy was a lot better than McCloskey, he had power, southpaw stance, great chin, good solid fundamentals and some shifty moves. I think if Khan had fought any useful version of Magee that he would have been dropped and stopped. Magee wouldn't have cared for Khan's faffing punches.
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Olivera and Castillo would take him The others are a limited group, for sure... Tackie has the puncher's chance because he could really crack, but he was slow and very basic I think Khan beats the other two, for sure
Khan beats all of those guys. An extremely shop-worn Oliveira? I mean that wasn't even meant to be competitive (against Hatton). Hatton had a veryy soft lead-in, and a very brief reign. The big question is does Khan survive old man Tszyu?
"Old man" Tszyu who was lauded as being impressive in bludgeoning Mitchell in his previous fight? I'm the biggest Tszyu hater on this board, but he would fucking destroy Khan. One right hand and Khan would be done and wouldn't recover. Khan's little flurries aren't enough to make Tszyu wilt, and even if they were, he wouldn't last that long without getting tagged hard.
The biggest favour you could do Khan right now is to develop basic reading skills, thus saving him ever having to fight Tszyu.athetic: ::
If Tszyu made a comeback tomorrow, I wouldn't be confident picking trash-Con. The washed up Tszyu that Hatton beat KO's Khan in 5. Prime Tszyu KO's Khan in 1. No exaggerating either. I don't think A Mere would survive the first round.
prime Oliveira wouldn't beat Khan, and cerrtainly not the past it version that Hatton fought. In fact, none of these guy's would have a chance other than the odd puncher chance ( and that would mostly be Maussa and Tackie having the punch to do it )
why wouldn't prime Oliveira beat him? because he wasn't famous? He certainly has the technical know how and the nerve to repeatedly throw punches at a guy with a joke defense Danny Garcia would be on Friday Night Fights in 2000, getting decisioned one-sidedly by Oliveira
no, it's because Oliveira was a good journeyman/fringe contender and that Khan has beaten far better fighters than him in Judah, Malignaggi and Kotelnik.Oliveira couldn't even decisioned one sidedly Fitz Vanderpool (draw vs a guy who operated at the canadian level ) and Omar Weis (who deserved the win if my memory served me well and who wasn't more than a good spoiler), no way he does it to Garcia, who is far better than Vivian Harris, Oliveira best win.
I wouldn't say the Judah he fought was much of a fighter anymore... Malignaggi, too, is a FNF fighter in even a marginally better era... what's his crowning achievement, Juan Diaz? Or is it getting the absolute dogshit beaten out of him by Cotto and Hatton long before Khan caught up with him? How is Garcia "far better" than a Vivian Harris? Because prior to this KO over a crystal-chinned, leap boxbot (whom you are now pretending is an elite fighter), he had barely beaten a 900 year old Featherweight? That's a ridiculous assertion. Garcia is absolutely nothing special. He is slow, he throws very wide punches, his defense is terrible and his power will now be drastically overrated off of this win (as Prescott's was for a hot minute) ... I don't see Garcia as being any better a fighter than someone like Oliveira, Weis, Tackie... The difference between him and those guys is the opportunity to fight a talented, but IMMENSELY flawed "champion" with the chin of a cheerleader and thus, get a win and his name in the papers. Furthermore, when did Kotelnyk become a big name??? You've shown me Khan has enough talent to beat a real faded guy with one big win 1000 years ago (Judah) ... a flashy looking but one dimensional dancer with feather fists who has been bludgeoned the two times he has fought good fighters (Malignaggi) and a guy who has no business being mentioned as a big win whatsoever (Kotelnyk) There's absolutely nothing special or elite about Khan. Beating him doesn't suddenly turn Danny Garcia into a top fighter. I figure a quick, busy guy with solid technical know-how like Oliveira should be able, at his best, to beat a crude, slow guy of modest talent like Garcia
I don't believe Judah is faded, maybe slightly past it but that's it. Just before Khan he notched 2 great wins in stopping Mabuza and edgind Mathysse. Plus, he looked great in his next fight after the Khan whooping in taking out Vernon Paris And Kotelnyk fought Witter, Alexander. Abdulaev and Maidana and most thought he won all 4. He may not be a superstar but he's far ahead of a guy like Oliveira. The only man to ever clearly beat him is Khan
Crispy. Crispy work will always beat Khan. I'm not sure if Oliveira was as crispy as Danny Garcia, and thats the choof. Oliveira was as good as Kendal Holt and Danny Garcia, easily as good as them. This is a guy who didn't really do any worse vs Forrest than Shane Mosley did. Anyone here see Danny Garcia or Kendall Holt adding up to dried shite against Vernon Forrest at 147? Kotelnik is not an elite fighter but he has some very good performances under his belt, but he is tailor-made for Khan. Slightly smaller, slightly underpowered, a natural boxer rather than an aggressive puncher.
"The key to beating Khan is to go in there and beat the shit outta him!" Anybody who has the ability to counter in between his wide punches with short, "crispy", accurate shots will be able to take advantage of his chin.
Any thoughts on whether GARCIA IS just unimpressive, yet effective? I tend to agree with you, but some guys just fight to their level of opposition and do enough to win and never look impressive. Garcia seems pretty ordinary to me, but looks can potentially be deceiving.
Right now, until I see otherwise, the key ingredient in his win over Khan....was Khan. Garcia looks like Vitali when he comes forward. That's okay if you are 6-8 250. Its not okay if you are 5'8 150.
well, he gets marks for having the concentration to just do what he does. He didn't abandon what works for him, he simply tried to make it work. I do think, and Irish already mentioned it, Khan's mistakes (which are numerous and almost comically obvious) were there to be exploited by a guy who is relaxed enough to accept some shots as part of the price for "getting there" What I am saying is Garcia knew what he was looking for and he got it when he saw the openings. However, I believe those openings would have been plainly visible to a fairly technically competent fighter. Surely, Oliveira qualifies as technically solid. He's also much quicker then Garcia, much better defensively and he had, for years, an excellent chin (he didn't really start to show vulnerability to punishment until the last few years of his career) ... Oliveira wouldn't necessarily beat a guy like Khan on a KO (despite Khan's shit chin) because he was not a puncher. But he certainly had the know-how to spot the obvious flaws and land consistently. When you land consistently, you score and often, you win.
Khan would beat the washed up Oliveria that fought Hatton. Not sure he would have beaten Vince Philips though. A clean right hand from even an old Vince Philips would have A Mere doing the Bambi.
Most likely yes, but at least A Mere still has an argument. Prime versions of Castillo, and Philips would slaughter Khan't. No arguments there.
Prime Vince could hit the pipe during his walk out, and still flatten Khan. Khan would have laid out by Freddie Pendleton, much less Philips, and Cool Vince beat the living fuck outta Freddie.
I heard Vince was a Krusty Kreme whore and that's what cost him the Millett fight. Hee dropped 80lbs in 4 days or something and still managed to go 5 rounds and survive multiple knockdowns. Any fresh version of him might well mess up Khan, and give Hatton a torrid, Collazo-esque time, albeit that no one of the three of the was a legit welter.
