Better never than late

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  1. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

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    As boxing fans way too often there is a highly anticipated fight we all want to see but doesn't come off for a myriad of reasons. Because we're often starved in this way we try to be happy when it finally does. It's kind of like putting on a fake smile when you receive a crappy gift as you don't want to appear ungrateful. ("it's the thought that counts" you remind yourself)

    There are some fights that sat on the shelf for way too long that I didn't care when it was eventually signed.

    For me one example would RJJ-Hopkins 2. No, it probably wouldn't have been exciting. That's not really the point though as I don't think anybody was expecting it to be. It was highly anticipated and the disputed P4P #1 spot would have been well ... no longer disputed.

    Instead by the time that fight came along it wasn't just over due, it was essentially irrelevant.
     
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    rjj vs. calzaghe and rjj vs. trinidad too.

    lewis vs. tyson.
     
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  3. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

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    Yeah being a longtime Tyson fan i dreaded that one. Rather than looking forward to it i hoped it got cancelled. I fail to understand how some actual boxing fans really thought Tyson was going to win that.

    It seemed the only logic was Lewis has been knocked out before and Tyson punches hard. Therefore automatic conclusion is Tyson by KO. Apparently those are the only variables to consider in a boxing match.
     
  4. Azazel

    Azazel "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    There was a lot of delusion for that one. I remember after the fight a coworker of mine telling me Tyson had to be drugged since he resemble in no way the fighting machine he recalled
     
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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I don't really agree on tyson lewis. Sure after the fact, we knew tyson was brutally shot, but he had quite a few good performances before, so there was a bit of intrigue
     
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    Barrera-Marquez
    Whitaker-Chavez
     
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    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

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    Some actual boxing fans are just that... FANS.
    They don't know shit.
     
  8. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    I think most of the fights that fit this criteria involve Roy for me. He became so shit so quickly that it just rendered all the match-ups pointless.
     
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    Tin_Ribs Shagger O'Toole's wind-dried puffin

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    Griffith-Tiger II. Griffith was still very good and Tiger finished, so not really in with a chance of imo righting the dubious decision of the first fight.

    Pac-Mayweather. Neither were great fighters anymore by a distance, so the hype during the build up, the money involved and the fight itself being dire added to the farcical reasons years prior for it not happening really soured me towards the current era even more than I already was. And Mayweather got a mass sucking off from sections of the media and fanbase for winning.

    Not that anyone here has seen it, but Jofre-Saldivar. It was no-one's fault that it never took place earlier unlike the two helmets in the above paragraph, but Saldivar was reportedly a shell by the time it happened.
     
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    whiskey Czarcasm

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    Yeah that irked me. He would have deserved all the accolades had the fight happened when it was supposed to but not for when it did. Then the fight itself was a dud. Hearing some people say Floyd "dominated" made me wonder what fight they watched.
     
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    Floyd-Berto...

    Fans Forget Just How FIXATED Floyd Was On Berto...Victor Ortiz BEATS Berto, Gets a Date w/Floyd...Robert Guerrero BEATS Berto, Gets a Date w/Floyd...

    Floyd Wins REGARDLESS, But Berto Would've Actually Fought to WIN Had He Faced Floyd Prior to When He Did...Instead, it was Just a PAYDAY for Berto...





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    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    Berto was one of haymons first guys after forrest
     
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    JCC Sr. vs. Taylor 2
     
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    Azazel "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Randall - Chavez 3 and Nelson - Fenech 3 are both obvious choices
     
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    Jel WBC Champion

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    One that felt like that only before it happened was Tyson-Holyfield 1. The thinking was that Holyfield was clearly shot by 1996 and the fight didn't have much meaning as Tyson was going to run through him, unlike when it was supposed to happen in 91/92 when it would have been huge and competitive.

    And then the fight happened and it was actually better late than never.
     
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    What’s worse about Lewis vs Tyson was that Lewis carried Tyson. Hell Lewis almost knocked Tyson out in the 2nd Round.
     
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    Yeah but who wins in their prime? I go back and forth with that one
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    I'm one of the subscribers to the the theory that Holyfield might just have had Tyson's number all along.
     
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    Larry Holmes vs. Mike Weaver II
     
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    Jel WBC Champion

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    You mean in 1991/92? Or 1988 Tyson v 1991 Holyfield?
     
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    Let’s say Tyson beats Douglas and fights holy next. Who wins?
     
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    Chocolatito vs Gallo 2 took nearly 10 years to be made after years of fans anticipating for the long awaited rematch even after Gonzalez had a brief set back with Sor Rungvisai. Surprisingly the fight was just as good, if not better than the first showdown.
     
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    I think they're on par with one another. Both terrific fights, at a very high level. I'm a massive Chocolatito fan, but Estrada is probably my favourite active fighter. Such a warrior, with such a fun style.

    I think it depends on what you like there. The first fight had more punches which landed solidly; were thrown through the target, whereas the two were more savvy in their distance manipulation. They didn't have the chance to solidly connect like they did in the first fight. It was a higher skill level fight though, IMO.
     
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    Jel WBC Champion

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    I think Holyfield might always find a way to beat Tyson.
     
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    Povetkin vs Wilder.

    Povetkin became shit bewildering soon in his career.

    I'm glad he failed that test. A fight btw him and Deontay"To this day" Wilder would have been painful.

    I think Wilder would have failed to take him out and Povetkin would have been all sweaty and grabby and trying hardvss Wilder tried to time him.

    It had been repeatedly delayed by then already.

    It was actually better that it NEVER came off.

    Similar to Povetkin vs Wlad. Wlad could have killed him and all we'd ever have heard was complaints.

    Haye vs Wlad was a fight that came off much better late than originally scheduled. By then it was a unification fight and Haye had made some actual inroads in the division.
     
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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Disagreed completely
    . I think povetkin was still decent at that time. Would have liked to see him against Wilder
     
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    I was at the pub for that one and 90% were cheering for Lewis. It was weird I had expected more Tyson fanboys like myself..
     
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    Mike was a largely disliked figure in 02. The urban black American community is probably the only place where Mike was still loved in 02. The media and most mainstream fans hated him at the time.

    It was only in the last 10-12 years that he turned into a beloved figure (it started with The Hangover), and now he's the one of the most beloved, if not THE most beloved retired athlete.
     
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