Boxrec's P4P list

How the fuck do boxrec work out their rankings?

This is the most absurd list I've ever seen




They have Cornelius fucking Bumrage above Rigondeaux. In fact Tyson Fury, Bumrage, Khan, and Porter are all ranked higher than Gondo, Garcia, and Bradley :atu: :atu:

The fat legged Ginger is ranked 4 ffs, and Brook, Thurman and Lara are ranked top 10. It's fucking ridiculous.

 

wald pussy ::

 

Yeah, wald pussy at #2 is the icing on the cake ::

 

Who should be #2 :dunno:

 

Golovkin at 3 is absurd too. The list is meaningless.

 

It is beyond the first two names.

I understand steve_dave is just doing his steve_dave thing, but 1 and 2 are fine.

3 I can agree with is a bit daft, 4 is just fucking plain lunacy.

Canelo is basically a shitty hereditary emperor. The Chavez Sr and Barreras and Morales that came before him, he is resting on their laurels.

 

Irish, you really think if they were the same size, wald pussy would beat everyone else on the list? ::

Pacquiao would KO him in 1 or 2 rounds, so would Kovalev and Golovkin.

 

If I recall, Reed said PFP was about "Recency". You say it is all about sizes....when you gentlemen have a standardized system, please do come back and let me know.

There isn't too much size difference, by the way, between your boy GGG and Ward, for example. :crafty:

 

For me a P4P list is simple, basically who beats who. It's not a list of accomplishments, as accomplishments often don't tally with a fighter's current ability.

 

If Pacquaio was 6'7" and 240, would he move the same, would he box the same, would he be the same. No.

Pac would be 240 and he would be telling guys to come in at 230 and then realizing that at heavyweight a few pounds doesn;t buy him the same advantages it did at 140.

And that would be the end of the little cunt.

Fuck it....he couldn't do a thing with Mayweather. Now at 6'7" and 240 he is knocking everybodys dick in.

OK.

 

12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18..............

 

"Who beats who" is VERY subjective. There were clowns here (wont mention names) that picked Jeff Lacy to beat Calzaghe and Pavlik to beat Hopkins, for example. It's even more subjective in a P4P setting.

You HAVE to factor in accomplishments alongside proven abilities when doing a P4P list.

I agree with Irish, Wlad has to be at #2, top 3 AT LEAST. Dude hasn't lost in 11 years. He's pretty much dominated his division as much or more than anyone else in the sport. Fightbeat posters are NOTORIOUS for judging "Who beats who" based solely on who has the most pleasing way of fighting. Boxing doesn't work that way. Wlad is VERY hard to beat. He may employ awful tactics at times, but he knows how to win.

I agree though that Rigondeaux (or however you spell his name) is alarmingly low on this list and Danny Garcia should be much higher.

I have no problem with Golovkin being in the top 3. The dude is a killer and is still undefeated.

 

Oh and "Ginger" gets a bad rap on here. His only crime is losing to THE GREAT Floyd Mayweather. No shame in that. THE GREAT Floyd Mayweather is extremely difficult to beat.

 

I don't remember how the formula works, but Boxrec rankings are somehow data based.

 

Anything which is DATA based is wrong. Anything which is emotion based is wrong. Anything which allows humans to make subjective judgments is wrong.

PFP is a crock of shit.

 

Agreed. It's fun to argue about who's better, but it should stop there. Pound for pound isn't a real thing.

 

Agreed.....

So wald is undefeated 11 years....so?? Look at who he has fought...a bunch of Henry Bruseles, Alfonso Gomez, Juan Urango, and one or two Robert Guerrero/Victor Ortiz mixed in there....NOT HIS fault...heavyweight division is shit....he doesn't have the Cotto's, Pacquiao's, Canelo's, Martinez's, Marquez, etc..to prove his real worth....


Juan Manuel Marquez would also be undefeated the last 11 years if he fought ONLY guys like Juan "Baby bull" Diaz...and Mike Alvarado..

 

PFP is valuable and has merit. It's hard to evaluate..but then so too are rankings within divisions. Take Hagler, Monzon, Robinson, Hopkins and Greb. All middleweights and yet very difficult to rank them.

The problem I have with P4P is that CUNTS are unwilling to rank heavyweights fairly on that system...which is just ridiculous. The entire point of the P4P was to give glory to fighters in the lesser divisions as people were formerly just interested in the heavyweights. It's meaningless if you exclude heavyweights from the ranking.

Wlad is dominant and has accomplished much and if he was in any other weightclass the cunts here would acknowledge that he's P4P top 3.

If Ali (prime) were a middleweight with the equivalent abilities over his peers he would be universally recognized as THE GOAT of the P4P lists, not just the heavyweights.

In summary...most of y'all are cunts. ;)

 

P4P is silly and generally worthless ... There's no agreed upon definition and it can't be qualified in any way

 

Cotto fought Pac, but he;s not yet fought Canelo, Caneolo has not fought Pac, Martinez, Marquez or Cotto, Martinez fought Cotto in his last, ultimate, career-ending fight, but never fought Marquez or Pac or Canelo, Pac fought Cotto and Marquez but not Martinez or Canelo.

So even thought these dudes had these dudes to fight, they did not fight these dudes ::

As for Juan Manuel Marquez, yeah, as long as he stays the fuck away from the Chris Johns and the Freddie Norwoods, and as long as Barrera doesn;t hit him while his ass is on the mat, he stays undefeated, sure.

:bears: at you.

 

It almost doesn't matter who you fight...because your opponent's abilities are subjective also. if a man dominates in championship fights for an extended period of time, he's proven his ability. Whether or not we think the division is great in terms of talent the fact is he's beaten many different styles and abilities consecutively for over a decade. Even if he were fighting bums, that is significant. Statistically...even if you're fighting bums...if you weren't pretty good in the first place...you'd lose at some point in 11 years. Y'all need to grow up and realize that simple truth.

 

You say that when it's convenient for you...yet you cunts love to say at other convenient times that Duran is a better fighter than say...Calzaghe...when in a straight up fight Calzaghe would wipe the floor with him. In what way...then are you saying that Duran is better? OBVIOUSLY you mean P4P. You can't have it both ways.

 

David Haye won a Silver at the Worlds, Unified the Cruiser title and beat Valuev and yet Wlad beats him and the guy gets compared to fucking Juan Diaz.

Once boxing fans get up on their Hobby Horse and talk shit, there is nobody better than them. Nobody.

Up is Down, Black is White, Through the Looking Glass With Dimminati and Friends.

 

I'm saying he's better because he was better at boxing and had a better career against more people who were good at boxing

Getting into "what if Duran was like 135 Duran but weighed 168 derp derp derp doo" is stupid, worthless crap

 

NO he's being compare to Robert Guerrero or Victor Ortiz....much better...

 

Yes, but the P4P discussion in not just about "what if Duran was like 135 Duran but weighed 168 derp derp derp doo", motherfucker (with all due respect)....it's about who is objectively better for their weight class...proven abilities and accomplishments. Again...it's convenient to relegate it to nonsense when it is convenient and use it at other times to make a point.

 

a great many of these arguments are so woefully incomplete and bereft of all perspective.

Let;s take what steve_dave is saying.....for example..."Old Holmes is WK best win a ha ha ha ha"

Sure, Larry Holmes was better than Sam Peter..........but if I want to rate Wlad, I say that getting past undefeated Sam Peter, at that point in both mens careers {Peter was fearless, didn't know what defeat was, was very confident and in shape, Wlad was supposedly a dead-man walking} the very epitome of what Wlad would supposedly have been destroyed by, and getting off the floor to win, and nearly stop his man in the 12th, is worth FAR more than ANY win over a 35 or 38 year old Larry Holmes.

It tells us more about him.

Even though Holmes is better than Sam Peter by a country mile.

PFP rankings don't take these things into account.

The same way Marquez losses to Freddie Norwood and Chris John should really not be used too much against him......

 

this guy loves him some samuel peter. a notable boxrec omission.

 

Sam Peter ::

 

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