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  1. Azazel

    Azazel "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    List some fighters (who had at least a modicum amount of success) who's only attributes were power and balls. So even a guy like Gatti, who had some sweet boxing moves, do not qualify.

    For example, John Molina Jr. Looked like some drunk guy winging shots in the parking lot after last call yet he had a respectable career
     
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    He got a bit better as his career progressed under Steward, and he was a very hard worker - but I think Dennis Andries would be a decent shout here. I think the knockout of Harding in their second fight might be the most wild and least technically sound KO punch on film! That he became a three-time world titlist is pretty remarkable.

    Of the current crop, what about Joe Smith Jr? Has to be up there with the most limited belt holders out there. No real structure to his boxing, he just comes to have a go, try and push you back and club you around with that big right hand that he loads up on. Very game, decent power but that's about it.
     
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    David Lemieux might be a borderline call. Not much more to his game than a big punch and aggression

    Edit: On second thought, he doesn't fit the bill as his punching technique is too sound. This topic is about crude, neanderthal brawlers.
     
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    Quite crude but he packed a good punch and had a respectable career. He even was a champ in 2 different division.
     
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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Not so sure about this one. Maussa was a tricky motherfucker
     
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    Maybe but he had a weird technique that suggested a lack of formal training.
     
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    Samuel Peter is an obvious pick. Slow, skill-less, plodding, but strong, powerful and determined.
     
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    Lemme piss off George and say Sung Kil Moon.

    Jk.
     
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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Young Big georges. Had some skills, but didn't really used them
     
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    If there's one fighter who combined caveman savagery with hints of subtlety, it's Moon. He fits here IMO.
     
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    Edison Miranda was pretty cavemanish in the few fights i can remember of his.
     
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    There were times in Barkley's and Benn's careers when they were somewhat caveman-ish, although they both showed improved technique and boxing ability as their careers progressed.

    Omar Sheika was also something of a free-swinging brawler early in his career, although he showed improved boxing ability later on against Butler and Lacy IMO.
     
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    Sheika, from what I remember, was slightly ahead of Lacy until late. Lacy came on strong down the stretch and pulled it out.

    I dont think Sheika's skills ever markedly improved.

    Its just that Butler was sooooooooooooooooooooo inept, that even Omar Sheika could outbox him.

    Fun fighter to watch was Sheika though. Probably one of top 10 most exciting fighters of the late 90s through mid 00s.
     
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    He stagnated. I think there was that one fight against Simon Brown where he basically beat the shit out of the guy in the early going and looked world class.

    But it went the distance and Brown was totally washed up. It was kind of obvious then that Sheika wasn't really this killer people made him out to be.

    He did fight a lot of big names, in fact, win or lose, he has a great record in terms of names- Calzaghe, Roy, Tate, Lacy, Beyer, Glen Johnson, Yusuf Mack.

    But the Brown fight kind of marked my card for him, I just had him down as a tuffie after that, and I knew there was zero threat when he was brought to England to face Calzaghe. Calzaghe showed him up for the face-first guy he was.

    A sort of a David Lemiuex, in a way.
     
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    Yeah, Sheika's loss to Tony Booth raised an eyebrow, since Booth is just one of those journeymen who fights every week, usually goes the distance but NEVER wins. For a supposed potential world class contender to lose to a guy like that made me suspicious. He was in some fun fights though, especially the Pemberton rematch.
     
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    Sheika vs LeMoo would have been a very fun fight.
     
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    I like David, he's in lots of fun scraps.

    I wanna see him vs Rosario, Sulecki or Ryder.
     
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    Already fought rosario. He tortured him
     
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    Sorry, should've specified. I want a rematch, it'd be a much better fight IMO.
     
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    Booth precisely the sort of guy Sheika should have been blasting out. He said it was a "Robbery" but Tony Booth is not even supposed to get close on the cards.
     
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    You mean Rosado. Lemieux did beat the crap outta Rosado.

    Rosario would imply Jaison Rosario.

    Not sure which George was referring to.
     
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    Rosado, and a rematch now that Lemieux is way worse. I doubt he'd batter him now given he just almost lost to Bursak.
     
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    Yeah,.my mistake
     
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    Sheika vs Rosado would have been a war too.
     
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