Cotto is an underapreciated fighter IMO.

Once again, instead of giving him credit for a good win, a lot of people insist on what Zab didn't do, on the fact that Cotto was hurt or on the little periods where Zab was outboxing him. Reading some of you, and on other boards too, you'd think Cotto eeked out a lucky win and is still a question mark. It seems that Cotto had nothing to do with Zab hesitance or that he didn't do anything to survive when hurt, Zab was just to dumb to finish him... The same thing happens after most of his fights and that makes me think he's underapreciated. He gets almost no credit for the high risk little reward fights he took and gets little to no credit for the way he fights and win fights. As far as I'm concerned, Cotto has some weaknesses, but he's got one of the biggest heart in boxing and with Corrales death, he's now the most exciting top fighter in boxing.

Defense first fighters don't do it for me, I find them boring and what pass for skills and artistry for some, is just reluctance to sacrifice a bit of yourself to give the fans what they want. Cotto is willing to do that, and he's willing to take risks to get the job done. Gotta love that.

I reiterate my membership to the Cotto bandwagon.:bears:

 

I kind of agree.

I've said it before, the guy is a fighting machine. He's shown vulnerability, but ultimately I think his chin is solid as is his recuperative ablility.

He gets partly underrated for his sleep-inducingly dull personality, and partly because of his very calm and patient style in the ring.

He is an attacking fighter, but more disciplined, calm and patient than say pacman or morales, or tito even, which leads to less fireworks and out and out excitement.

But he can fight, and is legitimately undefeated, and when he is on form like saturday, he is fun to watch.

 

Great minds think alike MWS.:bears:

 

If there is a Cotto bandwagon, I want in. I think Cotto is underrated and underappreciated. I was lukewarm about him earlier in his career but I've come to appreciate him.

 

:nono: Zab Judah is a low-risk - High reward fighter if ever there was one,..High risk low reward fights are the fighters labelled "unproven prospects" when Margarito deals with them, Joshua Clottey, and Paul Williams fit that description well,..Zab Judah on the otherhand was a proven loser who hadn't won a fight in years, but his overration elicited by the sight of 'handspeed' caused this mismatch to be touted as a 'super-fight' without any contraversy.

This thread is more suitable for Margarito, Cotto is a big draw, with alot of fans, and plenty more fans on this messageboard, and he's getting more credit than he deserves given the opponent who probably won't have won a fight in 3 years and counting, depends if Zab who's a paper titlist's dream, can be whored out for another championship, I think he'll have his shot at Cintron,..make it 4 years and counting, he's got fast hands though.

 

I didn't see that kind of effect at all. If anything I was beginning to think Cotto was being given too much credit for the Judah win with people picking him to beat ODLH and Mayweather. Still though, I give him full credit for his win over Judah. Just because Judah fought like a bitch doesn't mean Cotto isn't the reason.

 

This was definitely a good win for Cotto. Judah, for all his short comings is dangerous and he proved it by rattling Cotto a couple of times. Props to Cotto. Now I'm rooting for Margarito to beat Williams so Cotto can fight Margarito.

 

Cotto did what I'd expect he'd do - batter Judah into oblivion without much trouble. He loses no point for doing so, obviously, but how much credit should he get?

One point worth noting is that he handled Judah a lot easier than PBF did.

 

True, very true.

 

Judah didn't hit Cotto in the balls and take a bunch of time to recover while a riot broke out.

 

I think the Floyd fight cost Judah his last remaining belief in himself. He got in the ring with Cotto and probably really started to doubt himself. Hell the guy lost to Baldomir for crying out loud and according to Cupey he was getting beat up in sparring. It's no wonder he got scared and didn't believe in himself so quick.

 

Good post! Cotto is willing to take one to give one and he is a very exciting fighter. Boxing needs more fighters like Cotto. Yes he flawed but is fun to watch.

 

I thought PBF did have an easier time with Judah, he was way less damaged and wasn't really hurt throughout the fight. Part of it is attributable to his style, but a lot of it has to do with his skills. PBF will always handle fighters more easily than a guy like Cotto, that's just the way he fights, he's not about blood and guts, he's using his brain to find how to win as easily as possible. I'm not a fan of this, but I have to admit it works damn well.

 

but you're ignoring a few key facts:

1. Judah knocked PBF down - he didn't knock Cotto down
2. Cotto stopped Judah - PBF did not
3. Cotto beat up Judah far worse than PBF did
4. PBF never hurt Judah

in my book, that says Cotto did a better job of beating Judah than PBF did.

 

Reasonable arguments...but Floyd did hurt Judah and if it wasn't for the blatent low blow foul at the end of the tenth, most likely would have stopped him.

 

I see what you mean. Cotto did more damage but Mayweather had an easier time. Before the low blow-rabbit punch combo, Mayweather was about to stop Zab IMO, Zab was hurt. Cotto took the chances to damage Zab though, and that's why he had an harder time physically. Mayweather isn't the type of fighter that is willing to take these kind of risks, that's why he won more easily IMO. Mayweather is an intelligent fighter, he doesn't want to risk his health when he can win convincingly rather easily, I'm not a fan of that, but I respect that.

 

dsimon writes:

I like Cotto but I am on the fence about how significant this victory is in the scheme if things. People discredit Baldimore but Baldimore wrote a blue print that showed any fighter how suceptible Judah was in the end when pressured.

Cotto has some great abilities he brings to the table, no doubt.

 

Agreed 100%.

Also throw in the fact that Mayweather arguably lost as many as 5 rounds to Judah, whereas Cotto was clearly much farther ahead than that by the time the fight ended.

 

I wonder if those same people talk about what Zab "didn't do" against Mayweather and Baldomir, because those were much closer fights and a much better case could be made (if there is one to be made) that he "could've" won those fights than this one.

 

dsimon writes:

Man you are going to be the first to start that shit up again!! From fuckulations. Here we go with the Judah won rounds Judah is one cunt hair away from a win... Bullshit!!

Judah got owned by Baldimore. Judah got owned by Floyd. Judah got owned by Cotto, by Zoo and that is what he did. It doesn't matter how guys beat Judah, they exploite his weaknesses.

There was nothing close to any of these fights. Judah is a professional opponent.

 

A 2/3 point fight is 2/3 point fight any way you want to look at it.

You also didn't answer my question.

 

I agree with you D. We don't need to nitpick and say this guy beat him worse than the last guy to make the other guy look better. If you notice each loss got worse which probably said in each fight he lost more and more confidence.

 

People always do that after a fight, ESPECIALLY with Zab Judah.

After the Tszyu fight:

"Oh why did Judah get sloppy in round 2 and drop his hands and play around? Why did Judah get up so fast?"

Nevermind Tszyu's subtle adjustments, getting the timing down, and winning round 2 even before the ending.

After the Baldomir fight:

"Judah took him lightly!"

Yeah he probably did, but give Baldomir some credit, he stood in there and didn't grow frustrated despite the slow start and got to Judah.

After the Mayweather fight:

"Oh why did Judah lose focus? He was winning after four and dropped Mayweather!!"

Yeah, it had nothing to do with Mayweather adapting to Judah's speed, getting the straight right hand home, and attacking the body with consistency.

Same thing here with Cotto.

Judah is what he is, a skilled and talented but flawed fighter. Everyone has weaknesses. Judah's main weakness IMO is his lack of ability to re-adjust once his opponent has adjusted to him.

 

Yep, you're spot on, as usual.

 

Floyd wouldnt have struggled against a guy like Ricardo Torres let alone get close to being knocked out.

plus, Judah only hurt Floyd in the first three rounds then didnt do shit afterwards. Against Cotto, he remained dangerous throughout and even stunned him in the later rounds.

floyd and cotto fight nothing alike, so i dont know where you're getting at.

 

I find it very hard to believe something like this was said by more than maybe a handful of people, yet you two are trying to inflate your numbers to promote your ridiculous thread which likewise isn't a point of view shared by many posters.

Everyone knows Cotto beat the shit out of Judah and everyone agrees he's at the moment on the path to possible greatness. Anyone who disagrees is merely hating so you can stop spreading this myth that Cotto is unappreciated.

 

WTF are you talking about? You may not share this view but read the boards and you'll see that a lot of people said that if Zab wasn't such a retard he would have stopped Cotto, and if I'm not mistaken you're one of them. You don't like the thread? Then don't read it. Next time I'll want to please you, I'll start a thread about how Mosley would make Godzilla his bitch, I'm sure you wouldn't find that one ridiculous.

 

I hear excuses made, for Judah, quite a bit.

But I agree with you that Cotto for the most part gets his credit.

 

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To prove you don't know what you're talking about I've highlighted where you contridicted yourself. All I'm saying is from what I've read the majority of people have been giving Cotto his just due. Yeah, I've read plenty of people including me say Judah fought like a bitch or rather badly but that doesn't mean anyone is claiming Cotto didn't do his job. I mean what do you want people to say, Cotto beat an outstanding focused fighter in Judah? That just wouldn't be true.

By the way Godzilla is an MMA fighter. You're not allowed to breath fire in a boxing match so that thread would be to far fetched to be discussed.