Cotto Needs new Trainer

I think his Uncle is fine. Cotto just needs to work out there personal problems. I agree Cotto must improve Stamina. If he can work these 2 issues out I have no doubt in my mind he can beat Toney. He showed he has the talent he just needed the stamina to carry out the game plan for 12 rounds.

 

i broke my curse long ago man..

i agree he could use a trainer though..

you know.. in order for Cotto to beat Marg.. he'd have to learn to clinch for one..

like when Mike and Holy fought.. THAT is the way Cotto needs to fight Marg..

Clinch, create a lil space.. land 3-4 shots and clinch again.. stop that bull rush and he has more of a shot

 

I disagree. All Cotto needs is the Stamina to carry out the fight plan for 12 rounds.

 

Lok's Point is, Cotto Could've Probably CONSERVED Energy by CLINCHING More...

He BEAT Margarita to the Punch Pretty Much WHENEVER he Wanted to...Instead of Backpedaling to the Ropes & Putting On his EARMUFFS, Cotto SHOULD have Clinched (He Also SHOULD have Made a CONCERTED Effort to Attack the Body)...

Cotto Should've Rattled Off those 3-4 Punch Combo's then CLINCHED...Force the Ref to Break U Up, Forcing Margarita to BEGIN his Attack All Over Again...It Would have Made for a LESS than Scintillating Fight, but U're in the Ring to WIN, Not Entertain...

By CLINCHING & ATTACKING the Body More than he Did, Cotto's Stamina may NOT have Become an Issue @ All...It's Definitely RISKY Though, Cause to CLINCH & BODYPUNCH, U've Got to B CLOSE to your Foe...



REED:mj:

 

This is 1 of the Aspects of Boxing that REED HATES...

Fighters Want 100% of the CREDIT, but when they LOSE, they Want to SHARE the Blame...

ULTIMATELY, it's YOU & Another Man N the Ring...

It Wouldnt' Surprise REED if Evangelista Cotto is Let Go, but he's NOT the Reason they Lost that Fight...


REED:mj:

 

Yup, that's exactly what we need..............more fighters clinching. We'll turn this sport into MMA whether they like it or not. :bears:

 

dont you guys slate hatton for this.

 

Don't Worry...

After that 1-Sided ARSE WHIPPING that Floyd Administered, Hatton is Pretty Faaaaaaaaaaar Off of REED's Radar...


REED:cheer:

 

Yes, and rightfully.

 

indeed. but he is still number 1 at 140, and undefeated at that weight no?

actually come to think of it nobody has come close to beating him at 140.

 

that is the worst analogy i've ever heard, .

 

But that was 1 of Cotto's HOMEY'S Saying that...Not Miguel or Evangelista...

It Wouldn't Surprise REED if Cotto CONDITIONS Himself, but REED is Pretty Sure Evangelista is RIGHT THERE when Cotto is SPARRING, Watching TAPE, etc...He's NOT just Showing Up @ the Gym REEDing a Newspaper or Something...

REED Isn't Necessarily DISagreeing w/U, REED just Hates when a Cat LOSES, then Immediately Replaces the Trainer...It's a CLEAR Sign that the Fighter "Blames" the Trainer N Some Regard...

Being Honest, REED thinks Cotto has Shown More DIMENSIONS to his Offense N the last 3 Fights...More VERSATILITY...& Evangelista Should Get Some of the CREDIT for that, Especially if he's Gonna Ultimately B BLAMED for the Margarita Loss...



REED:mj:

 

Actually, it's a SPOT-ON Analogy...

Sure, Hatton's the # 1 Jr. Welter in the World, but WHO (No Pun Intended) Gives a Fuck about that Division???:dunno:...Malignaggi's a DECENT Fighter, but NATHAN More...Tim Bradley MIGHT B Good, but Who Really Knows @ this Point...After those 2, the Division is CRAP...

The Mere FACT that Hatton will Likely Face Manny Pacquiao (Fresh Off of his 1st Fight EVER @ 135), tells U EVERYTHING U Need to Know about 140...

Hatton's the # 1 Guy N 1 of Boxing's WORST Divisions @ the Moment..."Journey to the Center of the Earth" is the # 1 FAMILY Movie, a Category NOBODY Gives a Shit about...

Excellent Analogy...

REED:cheer:

 

REED knows what I'm sayin

I'm not talking about Johhny Ruiz-Octopus akinwande type holding.. or even Hatton humping..

I'm talking about Holy or even a prime Ali ( who was a master at this)
clinch when it helps.. clinch, push off to create a lil punching room, land a few and clinch..

it totally disrupts the rythem of a busy aggressive fighter like Margarito..

 

True. Ali perfected it as an art to the point few people now even remember his clinching, but how great he was at everything else! Ruiz and Akiwande are mainly known for clinching and stinking the fights.

 

No. He just needs to stay away from fighters not smaller than him or fighters away from their prime or never was beens, you know what he has always done.

However, LOK is a more important factor. Honestly, if I were a fighter and he picked me; I would put a contract out on him. Even a monkey would be right 33% of the time. The only time LOK is right is when he picked pbf.

The best fight of the night was not Joto/Margarito. It was

Double L versus LOK

FOR THE ALL UNIVERSE ALL KELLERMAN AWARD

For once, the mistake on the lake, Double L has a reason not to pull the trigger (although I hope he does anyway)

 

who do you suggest?

McGirt? Roach? most of the elite trainers have too many fighters already.

 

I don't think Cotto needs a new trainer. That's just an excuse.

Clinching instead of running backwards would probably be more effective and it would help save energy.

 

It's time for a new trainer if Miguel thinks it is. You are putting too much weight on what a new trainer can do for a fighter. Very few of them, including the darlings, have any better track records than fathers with 'no' experience doing the training. Fighters tend to make the trainer, not the other way around. And very few elite fighters can be pointed at that did better with new trainers.

 

New trainer? who? I think this defeat will help the Cotto's resolve whatever problems they have.....Cotto should take some of that money he has made an invest in a lil gym home/and gym in the States...some place high...poconos, big bear....or something..work on his stamina...

 

What else does he need to learn? He's beaten lots of excellent fighters as it is. He lost to one excellent fighter who fought like a lot like Orlando Salido did against Guerrero.
Not saying he can, but if Cotto fought exactly the same fight against Margarito, he'd win a big % of those fights. The normal Margarito isn't as good as the guy who showed up Saturday.

 

dsimon writes:

couple of comments:

Lok and Mike make some good points. Cotto does need to occasionally clinch. Not all the time but at times it is necessary.

A la mike its true Cotto has mad skills and as Hexy said he showed mad skills in the fight... not the problem.

The conditioning is a complex issue: First, no amount of conditioning would let Cotto escape Margarito all night. Cotto did a great job of it and showed that at a certain point you have to have another way.

I also don't think cotto's problem is his trainer. Godfather is a smart guy but I think Evalbelista has prepared the shit out of Cotto. Cotto can box, punch and do everything else.

I think Cotto's problem is conditioning related. I think he needs to get more upper body mass per his weight. He is too small to fight the big welters. Williams would beat him for the same reason Margarito did. When he fights a big welter he needs some beef and to clinch when in trouble.

Also, he does need to work that body attack of his into his new found boxing prowess. He really did not go to the body much.

 

(1) Maybe, but he landed a lot backing up. A whole lot.

(2) You don't have to be taught how to save energy, you instinctively know how and/or you learn by experience.

(3) As I said earlier, fighters that move on don't tend do any better than they did with their original trainer. Some do, some don't.

(4) How long has he been with Miguel and Jose? Are there other world class guys in his stable?

(5) Tito needs fewer years. His fight plan vs winky was one of the worst I've ever seen, but that blame goes just as much to Tito as to his dad. I don't mind it when fighters look for someone to blame, but when fans/commentators/anyone else tries to do it for the fighter, I get skeptical very fast. There is a reason that world class fighters come from everywhere, and that is because a fighter makes the trainer far more than the other way. There are guys who actually do seem to be able to improve/develop fighters, but they are rare and aren't so great that they can improve anyone or everyone. The two that come to mind are Nacho and Sdunek. None of the Americans seem to be able to consistently do it.

(6) Learning more doesn't always make a fighter better. Lots of things you learn are counterproductive in other areas. Make a guy better offensively, he gets worse defensively. Jab more, eat more counter rights. Raise hands, lose head movement.