In a fight that got him back in the light-heavyweight title picture, Jackson scored just enough points to edge the elusive Machida during Saturday's pay-per-view headliner at The Palace of Auburn Hills in suburban Detroit. But Jackson's post-fight behavior initially had White steaming. "'Rampage' and I are getting along, but he's pissing me off again," White said after the event. "I had 'Rampage' winning that fight two rounds to one. ... I scored that fight for 'Rampage.' He is slumping down and holding up the other guy's hand and acting like he lost. I thought he won." I think Dana is right. That fight was close. Rampage won round 2 clearly and Machida won round 3 clearly. Round 1 was a toss up. Yet Rampage acts like he was given the biggest gift ever. It makes the UFC look bad to casual viewer because it makes it seem like UFC has these really bad boxing like robberies. There were some bad decsions in the past but this wasn't one of them but Rampage made it look that way. I'm all for a fighter giving his opponent credit and be honest in his thoughts on the fight but Rampage took it too far. Basically saying he got his ass handed to him yet still got the decision.
Dana is full of shit. Rampage is a fighter and he knows the most damaging part of that fight was him getting clocked and taken down by Machida. In my opinion, it wasn't enough to win Lyoto the fight but I can see, given the little action in the other rounds, how Rampage felt like he got his ass kicked. But even more importantly his comments make me think he was getting hit cleanly on the exchanges and not landing cleanly. The few exchanges they had were quick and followed by a clinch or moments of separation. It was difficult to judge who won them. The other thing is that Rampage likely won the first two rounds because he was doing the chasing. As a fighter in the cage, being the aggressor and missing shots doesn't always make you feel like your winning. Jackson is honest. Fans love him for speaking his mind. I loved it after the Griffin fight and after this fight.
To be honest, I think round by round is fucking retarded in a sport with 15 minutes of fighting and THREE rounds.
I agree, but I think to be sanctioned in many states you must have a scoring system. I'm not sure, but I think it goes along those lines.
That's Waaaaaaaaaaay Toooooooooo SUBJECTIVE...Scoring Fights is ALREADY Subjective, but Doing it THAT Way would INCREASE the Level of Subjectivity... Think of All the Bouts where 1 Guy FINISHES STRONGER & Wins Over the Crowd...Dude Could've LOST 2/3rds of the Bout but Because he FINISHED Stronger, the Crowd Usually BOO's when the Decision DOESN'T Go in his Favor... The Only Options R Scoring Round by Round OR Fighting Until 1 Man QUITS or DIES.... REEDopcorn:
Pride use to judge the whole fight. Not round by Round. Its actually a good idea that i wish the UFC would adopt.
No, they still use it. Not positive about the ones they do in the cage but definitely for the normal cards.
I think you are right. When in the cage they use the strikeforce/UFC scoring. When in the ring they judge the whole fight.
Picking the winner of the fight sounds good on paper but it just wouldn't translate into a fair decision in my mind. For one say you have a championship fight that is 5 rounds. That's 25 minutes of action and say the fight is really close. It's going to be hard for the judge to remember the whole 25 minutes and who did what and all that.Like Reed said by the end of the fight whoever finished stronger would probably get too much credit and the first half of the fight would not hold as much weight as the last. I think if anything they should just start granting 10-8 rounds easier and use 10-10 more. For example in the Rampage Machida fight you would say round 1 was 10-10. Round 2 was 10-9 Rampage. Round 3 was 10-8 Machida.
If they fight 25 minutes and an opponent for 15 of those minutes was winning, but then the other guy for the last 10 minutes has now begun to win and look stronger and actually finish the fight stronger, wouldnt you agree that the guy who finished stronger won? Again this is a fight. At the end, the fight should be judged by who came out on top.
Judges avoid 10-10 and 10-8 because the short number of rounds causes a disporportionate amount of draws.
So if a Guy SUCCESSFULLY Lays & Prays for 20 Minutes, then Gets the Shit Beaten Out of him for 5 Minutes, U Think he Should LOSE that Fight???....U're Supposed to Judge the ENTIRETY of the Fight...The FAIREST Way to Do that is Round by Round... REED:dancingBaby:
U're like the Boxing Judges that Sugar Ray Leonard Used to CON Into Giving him Rounds, by Throwing Flurries in the Last 30 Seconds of Each Round...Even if Ray had LOST the Preceding 2 Minutes & 30 Seconds, he'd STEAL Rounds w/a Shoeshine Flurry in the Final 30... If the Guy "Losing" @ the End of the Fight was WINNING the Majority of the Fight, Up to that Point, he Should RIGHTFULLY B Awarded the Victory... REED:dancingBaby:
No. an experienced judge or even an experienced fight fan can tell the difference between a 30 second flurry and a clear position of dominance at the end of a fight.
Awarding a Guy a Round for 30 Seconds of Dominance Is the Same as Awarding a Guy a FIGHT for "Finishing Stronger", ASSuming he Lost Most of the Earlier Rounds.... If a Guy CLEARLY WON 15 Minutes of a 25 Minute Fight, U're Allowing the Fight to B STOLEN from him by Declaring the Opponent as the Winner, Based on 10 Minutes of Dominance...Just as Judges Allowed Ray Leonard to STEAL Rounds from Some of his Opponents, for 30 Seconds of Flurrying.... REED:dancingBaby:
Its not like 30 seconds of Flurrying at all. Despite what you say. This is system that has worked before Reed. It worked with pride and is currently being used in Dream without an issue. I know it goes against everything you have known for however many years you have been watching boxing, but it does work. You cant compare 30 seconds of flurries to a clear dominance in a fight. The fact that you continue to bring that up, clearly shows you dont understand how it works. Just think of a fight in school. If you are in a school fight and you get punched 12 times in the face, but before the fight is stopped, you have punched the guy 5 times in the face and you are clearly kicking his ass, you won that fight. Because a fight is not just giving a beating its also being able to take the guy's best shots and still continue to comeback and whup his ass.
SPARE REED your Smarmy,Prickly BULLSHIT, Dude...U're ALWAYS Trying to B the "Argument Police", Going Out of your Way to Tell People what they Do or Don't Understand:boohoo:... A Prizefight or an MMA Match IS NOT a Schoolyard Fight...You're Actually COMPARING the 2 & Telling REED he "Doesn't Understand" Something???...If the ENTIRETY Of the Fight is IRRELEVANT, then WHY Even Bother w/the Other Rounds???... Fights R Scored on LANDED Shots, so if U've Punched a Guy 12 Times & He Punched U 5 Times, U're More than Likely Gonna Get the KNOD... The Scenario that REED Noted is VERY MUCH ANALOGOUS to what U've Proposed...U Basically Want to IGNORE the ENTIRETY Of the Fight & Give the Verdict to the Guy that FINISHES STRONGER...Well, Boxers have Lost 2 Minutes & 30 Seconds of a Round, yet STOLE that Round by FINISHING STRONGER...The Judges Ignored the ENTIRETY of that Particular Round & Awarded it to the Guy that Flurried for 30 Seconds...It's the SAME Shit... Big Deal if Pride or Dream Uses it...UFC (MMA's TOP Organization, Last Time REED Checked) DOESN'T...Apparently they AREN'T As High on the Concept as U R... REED:mj:
LMAO. The idea of rounds is for a break. Again, its clear you havent even seen a fight judged with this criteria so why dont you go watch one and then come back. No shit the UFC doesnt do it. Thats what the fuck this whole discussion is about. The UFC should do it. You keep talking about 30 fucking seconds. Nobody is talking about 30 seconds man. If a fighter is losing a whole fight in MMA and comes back in 30 seconds, using the criteria i am talking about he wouldnt win. You are here trying to make me defend an opinion that this is better, while proclaiming yourself as factually accurate on the situation. This despite the fact you have no clue what you are talking about, since you havent seen a fight judged this way. What you should be doing is saying Hmmm that sounds interesting, let me check it out. Then come back with your feeling on the situation. Stop trying to debate with assumptions and get some knowledge in you before commenting.
Here is the criteria courtesy of Wikipedia: If the match reaches its time limit then the outcome of the bout is determined by the three judges. The fight is scored in its entirety and not round-by-round. (In Pride events staged in the United States, however, the fights were scored round by round.) After the third round, each judge must decide a winner. Matches cannot end in a draw. A decision is made according to the following criteria in this order of priority: <DL><DD> the effort made to finish the fight via KO or submission damage given to the opponent standing combinations and ground control takedowns and takedown defense aggressiveness weight (in the case that the weight difference is 10 kg/22 lb or more) </DD></DL><DL><DD>If a fight was stopped on advice of the ring doctor after an accidental but illegal action, e.g. a clash of heads, and the contest is in its second or third round, the match will be decided by the judges using the same criteria.</DD></DL>
Oh Really???... There's a PRIDE Show, Hosted by Jay Glazer & Frank Trigg, that REED has Watched PLENTY Of Times...They've Had Fedor Marathons, Rampage Marathons, Wanderlai Silva Marathons, Dan Henderson Marathons & REED has Watched & Recorded ALL of them... So AGAIN, Cease & Desist w/that LAME, "Argument Police" BULLSHIT, Because U have NOfuckingIDEA what REED Does or Doesn't "Understand"... U're NOT NEARLY as Smart &/or Knowledgeable as U THINK U R, Homey...So SPARE REED your Unfounded ASSumptions... REED:mj:
So you have watched it plenty of times and you question the way they judge fights? Or did you not even realize how it was being judged? The fact that you didnt know how thats how they scored fights means what exactly?
