David Haye challenging Wlad video clip

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I´m actually more impressed by Wladimir. That was the most coherent english he ever spoke. :: ::

 

The dude has fought 1 scrub at HW and he thinks he deserves an immediate shot at the top dog? Get in line.

 

It's hard to be the champion in those type of situations. You always look lik you are ducking whoever it is challenging you. Wladimir should have offered to pay him to come and spar::

On the other hand, the size difference isn't as great as I thought it would be and I think Haye would be a live dog.

 

I'll give Haye some credit, he's got guts, it looks like he really does want to fight wlad.

He'll lose badly, but I'll root for him.

 

haye wants to get murdered? start with someone your size, like ibragimov or chagaev, and then.....if......you beat them then you can start talking about wladimir :doh:

 

Nothing wrong with making a little noise.If he wants to fight him all power too him.

 

How dare that dirty little cretin talk to the king that way?

 

Yeah, maybe Klitschko should've answered him in Ukrainian. Or German. Or Russian.

Haye said "I beat two top ten fighters...", let's see if he can do that before getting a title shot...or at least one.

 

dsimon writes:

Cosign on that.

Why not? He is exciting and he has a punch, hes right! He is an exciting fight and he believes in himself enough to put up...

FUCK if Cotto did that to Mayweather they would be fightin tomorrow!

Haye gets some bones in the Dsimon book on that exchange.:: :bears:

 

dsimon writes:

Punchers are a different breed. Haye knocks people the fuck out that is what he does, that is what he will do. Can he get better defensively? maYbe a little, maybe bigger slower guys will help his D, but its the punch and he either can or cannot get to Vlad.

You guys are also negating the alternative Povtkin. Sure let Haye fight Povkin first, it doesn't necessarily change his chances against Vlad though. :dunno:

 

You gotta love Haye's ambition and confidence level...but he has got to realize that even Holyfield had to fight and beat several legit heavyweights to earn a shot.

To expect to just move up and face the #1 Heavyweight in the world after beating Mormeck and Maccaranelli at cruiserweight....is ludicrous.

 

Holyfield also had a HW chin. Haye doesn't.

 

It seems as if that is probably Haye's one glaring weakness.....however, the division was much more solid when Holy moved up, than it is right now.

 

dsimon writes:

I can't argue that Explosivo.... But the division was not as weak when Holly was coming in. Lets not lose sight of the entertianment aspect.... who cares to watch Vitali brutalize another guy with feathre fists? :dunno: Yes the Eastern Euros are good boxers, but they cannot do enough to beat Klitschko because they are not a threat to KO him. Haye is a threat, a real live dog and what the division may need to get interesting again.

 

dsimon writes:

Thats possible but quite an assumption. Its more than chin, Holly used to win by outworking the bigger guys, his power was enough, Moore who was twice the fighter Holly was (imo) never really made the transition, and I know he was a champ, beat Holly, but he just wasn't as good at that weight. Every cruiser is different, and the ability to take a punch is a little different in both divisions.

 

Moorer took a good punch















From George Foreman::

 

Give him a shot

I admire David's inner fire and confidence, and this fight will most likely happen in 2009.
Hey; Bobby Foster, Archie Moore, Billy Conn, John Henry Lewis, Tommy Loughran, and Michael Spinks (who beat Larry Holmes) who were all great Light Heavyweights and Light Heavyweight Champions that boxed for the Heavyweight Championship of the World.
So why not David Haye who is a big Cruiserweight Champion?

 

Because all of those guys wouldnt have gotten stopped by Carl Thompson::
Haye to me was delusional, stating that "Holyfield did it" but maybe he doesnt know that Evander beat some of the best in the division at that time like Quick Tillis, Former champs Dokes and Pinklon Thomas and even against a guy with some good power like Alex Stewart, he didnt just go straight to the top and he also garnered a regional belt before we went to the big time.
Haye needs to think before he acts or at least get his story straight about Evander at heavyweight.

 

It dosen't matter what happened before bro, what matters is what happens in the ring that night against that opponent.

 

If Haye is really serious....his camp needs to encourage him to follow Holyfield's path and hone his skills at that weight against , first,...legit heavyweights....increasing in skill level and talent.

He shouldn't even be clamoring for a title fight until he has had at least 3-4 fights at heavyweight.

If he is as good as he claims to be..that shouldn't be a big problem.


Seems to me like he is just trying to cash in quickly.

 

I agree to that but the fact that Haye has shown signs of stamina issues bothers me as well, one reason why he got KOed against Thompson.
How do you think his stamina holds up when he has a guy about 30-40ish pounds hanging on him?

 

Haye said in the video that while Wlad takes care of his two mandatories, he will fight two top 10 guys and wants to meet Wlad next year. That sounds fine with me.:bears:

 

you might not agree with me dsimon, but I think there's some considerable gap between knocking out cruiserweights and moving up to HW with that same power. Haye should test the waters with smaller heavyweights, adapt to the division, before challenging someone with the experience and physical advantages that wladimir posses. Everybody has a puncher's chance against wlad, but once they get hit by that right hand hammer, they usualy end up losing. I have to recognize that manny steward have done a very good job with wlad, mostly defensively.

 

Well, if he hits Wlad clean he'll go, so it may not be that much of an issue.
I have stated here several times that is the main reason I don' like Wlad because he hits and holds.
In the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's, Wlad would not have been allowed to do that crap, he would have been disqualified.
Lennox Lewis started that crap in the 90's and was permitted to get away with it, and the heavyweights have gone downhill ever since.

 

Well judging by Wlad´s last performances, that gives Haye at least four rounds to operate before Wlad will throw the first right hand. ::

I think it is actually a smart move for Haye to shoot straight for Wladimir. Wlad is universally recognized as the cream of the crap, but vulnerable. If Haye´s chin isn´t good enough, he´ll get KTFO by somebody inferior to Wlad, who might take a better punch, take him deep and drown him. And as the reigning undisputed cruiserweight champion he has any right to challenge "the heavyweight champ". Nobody gets upset when Calzaghe or Floyd or Pacquiao demand an immediate title shot moving up. That´s what we all want to see. That being said Thompson and Povetkin actually deserve their shots, but after that it should be Haye or the winner of Chagaev/Valuev II.

 

The heavies started to go downhill before that.

 

Not as far as holding and hitting goes, you are referring to the "Fat Boy" era of the early and mid 80's.

 

Alot of holding and hitting there too. Alfredo Evangalista, Tex Cobb, James Broad, and a slew of others who were guilty of that.

 

Sorry you are wrong, watch the tapes.
Those guys fought, and Tex didn't hold excessively to Holmes, Norton, or Shavers.
Evangelista got his ass handed to him by Homes, Spinks, and others, and was not a very good fighter, but he sure wasn't a cluch artist.
Again, watch the tapes.