Interesting article - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/apr/25/davidhaye.boxing What chance would Haye have if they faught anytime soon? Is this absurd?
Wlad would have to hit Haye hard very early because I feelt that Haye would just attack him from the onset. If that happens and Wlad is underprepared, we could see a Sanders type of win for Haye but I think Wlad learned from that. The longer it goes, the more likely that Haye ends up on the wrong end of a beating.
Unless Kiltschko drops one of his belts, he's tied up the rest of the year with defenses against Thompson and Povetkin. This might be on the horizon for next year, though, if they keep winning. If Haye comes to fight, it could be entertaining for as long as it lasts, and it would be nice to have a heavyweight champion who takes his titles outside just the United States and Germany. Supposedly Haye's being courted aggressively by G.
dsimon writes: Listen.... name all the great cruiserweights, LOL... Haye is a smart fellow. he has a money punch and the heavy weight division is weak, why wait? Could Haye beat Klitchko.... Its as Jesus boy just said, Haye could get an early KO, the longer it goes on the more trouble he is in. It could be a learning experience for him if Klitchko does not destroy him. The difference is that Haye is a big puncher, and Mitchell isn't Haye a southpaw? That could be a heap o trouble for Klitchko! Kudos for the Klit if he takes this fight!!
dsimon writes: Well Povetkin is a gimme. The kid isn't ready yet. His advisors should tread lightly. Haye has the weapon that Klitschko is vulnerable against. So its a damn shame these fights are a priority. I tell you what Haye could beat up Vitali:: That would raise Junior's dander a bit!!
Haye's orthodox, although sometimes he will switch southpaw. I personally think Povetkin is a more serious threat to Klitschko over the twelve round distance but early on, Haye could make it interesting...though I tend to think that Klitschko will be able to take command with his jab quicker than he was against guys like Brock and Ibragimov.
It's way too early for Haye to be considering a fight against Wlad, though I'm in no way surprised to see that he thinks he should be fighting him now. That's the way he is... Haye needs to have a few fights to acclimatize to the weight, test that right hand of his against bigger men and, moreover, see how he himself reacts to being hit by bigger men. Haye's single major weakness is his chin- he is far from invulnerable around the whiskers and the last thing he needs first time out is for Wlad to be throwing right hands at him. Patience is the key. He's only about 28 is Haye, he can wait 18 months or so easily. It's not like there are a ton of dangerous prospects coming up to threaten anyone, is there? :dunno: MTF
dsimon writes: I don't know Mitchell.... Aside from Margarito I usually agree but Povetkin does not have the size, range, or experience to outbox Klitschko. I can't see it.
Klitschko: Haye is nuts! World heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko says undisputed cruiserweight champion David Haye ‘is nuts’ for wanting to fight him. The IBF/WBO/IBO heavyweight titleholder thinks that the Briton first needs to prove himself as a genuine heavyweight contender. Speaking to Setanta Sports News, Klitschko said, "I met this guy yesterday. I’d never heard of him before but he was so loud that I could have heard his voice overseas. He’s a nice guy but he’s so excited about his career and moving up to the heavyweight division and winning all the titles. He’s definitely got a good punch and is a great boxer but he’s just so loud it’s unbelievable. The one thing that he does have already, though, is that he’s very self-confident. He has to have a couple of good fights at heavyweight and, after that, who knows? If he continues to do well then maybe we will fight each other. Maybe Great Britain is going to have the next undisputed heavyweight champion of the world – but only after I retire.â€
:: I just read pretty much the same thing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7366493.stm If nothing else, you can't fault David's self-confidence. He is as self assured as any other guy presently boxing...
dsimon writes: Now that sounds more like KLitschko! He would rather punch out a bunch of feather fists. The thing with Haye is that he is what he is and he won't change much. he is a puncher. Klit knows that as well and will no doubt avoid him in the typicl risk averse way he does everything.
..... I don't care for how Wlad fights anymore. However what he said is true. David Haye needs to win some fights at heavyweight and prove himself some. As it is, he hasn't proven shit as a heavyweight. There's no incentive for Wlad to fight him right now to be honest.
Well, maybe that was more of a subtle critique of Haye on my part.:: Contrary to most beliefs, though, I think Klitschko is still more vulnerable b/c of his stamina than his chin. Povetkin showed that even on an off night, and perhaps a little under the weather, he can still put up a tremendous work-rate over twelve rounds. He has pretty good punch variety, though perhaps not much power, and he is well schoooled. He also appears to be pretty tough and I think his chin looks solid, so far. His head movement isn't great, and neither is his defense...at least not great enough to make it too difficult for Chambers to land when he wanted to. But Chambers does have good handspeed and is pretty good in close...and he makes you come to him and Povetkin is the kinda fighter that will come forward as he did all night. There are some parrallels/comparisons that can be made to that fight and Calzaghe-Hopkins, I think. I would like to see Povetkin in agains some of the bigger heavyweights to get more of an opinion on a Klitschko fight, but that may not be coming before he challenges Klitschko.
He doesn't have a point? Come on, Haye's heavyweight resume makes Miranda's super middleweight credentials look HOF worthy. Klitschko's dance card is booked for the next two fights anyways. That leaves plenty of time for Haye to get something done in the division.
God what a sorry excuse for baddest man on the planet. 'well he seemed like a nice guy & heck, he's a swell boxer but oh my gosh, he was just so loud!' :shit: Jesus
I supposed if he rhymed more, like Lennox Lewis, he'd be more acceptable. Seriously, it's like every criticism of him - down to his speech - is just a rehashing of things that were said of Lewis. Either fans don't have long memories or weren't around long enough to remember the similarities of critiques.
Even if it Ends Up Being a MISmatch, Wlad vs Haye is As INTERESTING as Any Other Heavyweight Fight, Except for Wlad vs Valuev... REED:dunno:
klitcho is so gay.. he'll avoid Haye by saying he's nuts.. I hope Haye does fight him and stretches him in 1
Rather see Haye in against a couple of other heavyweights before Wvlad. The guys got self belief so no need to nurse him too much - Krasniqi, Ibragimov, McCline, Wvlad in quick succession would be a logical progression.:blobbox:
Who is Wlad avoiding? I don't get it. He sure as hell isn't avoiding a guy who has never even fought at HW. He fought Peter, beat Brewster in the Rematch, I doubt Haye hits any harder than those two and most likely not even as hard.
So you skipped the part where he said Haye needs to prove himself first I guess. I guess every guy with a loud mouth deserves a title shot now.
Don't forget his fight with the great Tomasz Bonin. Seriously, though, Klitschko is probably scared to death of an unproven heavyweight who was stopped by Carl Thompson.
dsimon writes: Your right your right we would all rather watch him fight a feather fisted technician with no pro experience to speak of.... :notallthere: Dude wake up!!! the division is fucking weak!!! Pvtkin is a scrub! Vlad should try to make an interesting fight for the fans at the very least. Haye is a live dog.
dsimon writes: Haye is at least as respectable as Povtakin or mr Giantism (Valuev)... Christ you guys act like the other guys are proven.... hello? Its a weak division any self respecting cruiser has a right to make a fight more interesting if they have a punch.
Povetkin at least has wins over ranked HW's. Let's see Haye fight some of these so called bums of the division and see how he does.
Povetkin's fought Donald, Byrd and Chambers. Not a great list, sure, but it's plenty more than Haye's done at the weight. But interesting that you conclude he's a scrub.
