De La Hoya vs Quartey: Revisted

This has been debated endlessly over the years; however, HBO On Demand has this fight listed this month. It's time to pull out the DVD's and record a new copy of this fight guys.

Just wanted to mention...

Ken Morita 116-112 & John Keane 116-113 need their asses kicked.

Even if you think Oscar narrowly won the fight, there is no logical explanation for giving him eight rounds.

 

They usually don't go back that far into the archives for past fights.

I'm sorta impressed by that.

One more chance to see Quartey win on points.

 

quartey won that fight. and I shouldve won about $2500

if I see crooked ken morita in las vegas I would love to "discuss" the merit of his scorecard.

 

I think basically every round was even by default except 6? & 12. Shite fight, do not wish to watch again. If anything Oscar deserved it for actually doing something besides posing & feinting in round 12.

 

quartey didn't do shit in that fight; how did he expect to win? he got knocked down in his best round. ::

 

Thanks Double, your post is more proof that Quartey won

 

....you're so clever Joe....a real comedy

 

if anyone disputes quartey winning I present the above stated Exhibit LL. case closed. thanks for your input, steve howe.

 

oh. now you too. joe beat you to the one joke you know.

question. was quartey NOT knocked down in his best round? that should tell you something.

 

Seriously, you thought Oscar won 8 rounds like the judges? I watched most of the fight this morning...after 6 I had Quartey up 4-2 then Quartey winning 7 & 8.

Even if Oscar wins the last three rounds, with the knockdown in the 12th he still loses 114-113.

BTW...the PROPER score for the 6th round is 10-9 Quartey. Quartey went down, but so did Oscar. In fact, oscar was more hurt than Quartey and spent the rest of the round either holding or trying to stay away from Ike.

 

i think judges alternated who they gave all those close rounds to.

8-4 is b.s. sure. but i still think odh deserved the victory.

i liked odh's technique for dealing with quartey's a jab. and quartey didn't throw enough power punches. when he did he was hurting ODH but he couldn't stomach the return fire.

i think odh wasn't aggressive enough either. he basically tried to replicate lopez's fight with the addition of his duck-jab.

about 8 rounds of that fight imo could legitimately be scored even.

 

Seriously, did you see the fight?

Anytime I see recaps and there are THAT many rounds viewed as "even" I immediatlely think the guy doesn't know what he's watching. There were that many close rounds. Turn off the sound and watch the fight. There were tons of cases where Lampley screamed over DLH punches which hit Ike's gloves or Ike picked off.

It's a clear case of "DLH scoring." Oscar gets credit for throwing, not landing punches.

 

The 11th round is the swing round from memory, whoever I have winning that round wins the fight.

 

REED Scored it a DRAW...REED Hasn't Seen the Fight N Several Years, but Trusts his Scorecard (Give or Take a Round)...

DeLa - 1,4,10,11 & 12
Quartey - 2,5,6,7,8,9

REED had Round 3 EVEN...Total Score, 114-114...

The 12th Round Knockdown SAVED DeLa from LOSING on REED's Card...But what Hardly NOBODY Talks about is Halpern Calling a Timeout as DeLa's HURT, RETREATING & Trying to HOLD, after Being Dropped N Round 6???:dunno:...

There's a GOOD Chance the Fight Might've ENDED Right There...



REED:hammert:

 

weren't the middle rounds for the most part uneventful though? it's an over-rated fight with neither guy doing much for long swings in the fight.

i need to rewatch it though - don't want to waste your time with my aging recollection.

 

Quartey TACTICALLY Dominated the Middle Portion...He Won Rounds 5-9 on REED's Scorecard...

There was Pretty Good Give & Take N Rounds 1-3...3-5 was Pretty Tame, w/Quartey Winning the 5th on Jabs...6 was Obviously a Barnburner...


REED:kidcool:

 

Halpern called break and Quartey threw about 4 punches after it. Nothing wrong with the warning.

 

Thank God he didn't. I mean Oscar's left eye was pretty swollen plus he was knocked down and outboxed most of the fight.


I'd hate to think of what Quartey would have done had he done shit.

 

i like this fight

i have DLH by 1 point...i actually have a round by round scorecard for this fight at home that i can argue about
i could also agree with a draw, or Quartey winning by a point....i think it all comes down to one very close round, cant recall exactly which one

DLH won the fight from a perspective of looking at it as 1 big round

 

Stupid argument, the only "narrow win" possible is 7-5, which you acknowledge could be possible, yet 8-4 is outrageous ?? Give me a break...

 

It could be 6-6, with Oscar's last round knockdown and follow up deciding it.

 

:doh:

who was essentially knocked out in the final round? had quartey not thrown his armpunches in defense, the fight most certainly woul've been stopped.

and as it were, plenty of refs "would've" stopped it.

both guys were scared of each other through most of the fight. odh overcame his fear; quartey did not.

 

Quartey should have won. If De La Hoya won, it was by the narrowest of margins, and giving him the benefit of doubt all the time.

You have to be generous to have DLH ahead 3-2 after five. Quartey clearly won the 6th when both guys went down, as he controlled the round after the KDs. For the next 3 rounds, DLH did basically nothing. Ike didn't do a whole lot either, but still, definitely more than DLH. That's 6-3 for Ike after 9. You have to give DLH the last 3 rounds for him to win, and giving him round 11 is a stretch. I think it was Merchant who said in the 11th, "DLH is not doing much this round", then DLH had Ike on the ropes but all of his combo was blocked. That's not enough for him to win the round on my card. So DLH has to win this round to win the fight, and this is even after giving DLH the benefit of the doubt by having him ahead 3-2 after 5.

It's strange how DLH's controversial decisions such as Whitaker, Balco Mosley 2, and Trinidad are always mentioned, but this one seems to be the "least" controversial of them (I left out Sturm, that was an obvious win for Sturm), even though the Quartey bout was pretty easy to score.

I guess it shows you how a great 12th round can make people forget about the rest of the fight. Hell, people often call it a great fight because of this and the 6th round, despite the lack of action in the other 10.

 

As an addendum to HBO's replays, Versus will also be showing some previous fights this week.

From Steve Kim:

 

Quartey landed like 10 jabs the whole fight

 

This fight could have gone either way. I thought Quartey won it but it was no robbery. It was a good fight at the time, but it was not one I like to rewatch.

 

IT was a robbery in as much as Oscar didn't even need to win the last round to pull the fight out on the frauds card.

 

Giving DLH 8 rounds is absolutely outrageous. Giving DLH 7 rounds is still pretty outrageous.

Giving DLH 6 rounds and a one-point win isn't outrageous, although it's still pretty damn generous to DLH.

 

dispute this:

Round 1 - DLH
Round 2 - DLH
Round 3 - Quartey
Round 4 - DLH
Round 5 - Quartey
Round 6 - Quartey (the 2 knockdowns cancel each other)
Round 7 - Quartey
Round 8 - Quartey
Round 9 - Quartey
Round 10 - DLH
Round 11 - DLH
Round 12 - DLH + knockdown

so DLH by 1 point


Round 5, 7, and 8 are very very close, but gave them to Quartey...so if a judge gave a few of those to DLH then the cards would be much wider, no crime there

 

I hadn't re-watched this one in years. At the time, I thought I had Oscar winning by a single point. Here is my card this time:

1: Oscar (razor thin)
2: Oscar
3: Oscar, despite Ike's flurry at the bell
4: Ike, although Oscar landed the best punch of the round
5: EVEN - nothing to separate them at all
6: Ike, pretty clearly
7: Ike
8: Ike, though Oscar closed nice
9: Ike, Oscar did nothing for 2:30 of the round
10: Oscar, Ike controlled the action with workrate but landed nothing
11: Ike, not much to choose from
12: Oscar 10-8

114-114, an even fight

Quartey could have been given the 1st round, but for my money he didn't do enough. In fact, he spent most of the first 3 rounds (and the final 3) throwing one jab at a time. Had he started throwing in combo earlier, he may have had enough points to win.

Honestly, I don't see why Oscar takes so much shit for this fight. In a fight this close, the loser is always going to get the benefit of hindsight. People convince themselves that Bones Adams beat the crap out of Paulie Ayala in their first fight, or that Tarver deserved the first Jones fight, etc. There were 2 or 3 rounds that could have gone either way or been called even.

Bottom line: Oscar scored the 2 knockdowns and was a few shots away from completely having Quartey out in the 12th. While he certainly didn't win 8 rounds of the fight, he didn't clearly lose 7 rounds either for my money.